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"Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong"
 
   I was re-reading Requiem for a Lensman earlier, reminding myself of some of the timing details, and it reminded me that I did a bit of the denouement completely, stupidly wrong. Gryphon's had this terrible shock, right, he feels like it's knocked all the supports out from under the ramshackle framework that's been his increasingly complicated life since 2380, he needs to step back and regroup and get his shit together, right? Fine, no problems there. It makes sense and it opens up several interesting possibilities that get explored in the later part of S4 and in a couple side stories. Raven: Blood Ties, for instance, wouldn't work without it.

Except he doesn't take his dog with him. What kind of man has an experience like that, where he feels he has to retreat from all human contact for a while, and doesn't take his dog with him?

This first occurred to me shortly after the real Wolfgang (although thanks to my mom's influence, we always called him Regal) died, and it's been (like his death) nagging at a corner of me ever since. It's just so obviously stupid that I think of it again every time I encounter that part of the storyline.

I'm not going to go back and retroactively change it now, because it would affect so many different items (not just that movement, but subsequent parts of S4, and Blood Ties, and the S4 annotations, because the rewrites would probably change the line counts), but it tasks me, Joachim, it tasks me, and I have to at least acknowledge that yes, that was a Schoolboy Error.

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  RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong Zox Nov-05-12 1
     RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong pjmoyermoderator Nov-05-12 2
     RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong Gryphonadmin Nov-05-12 3
         RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong DaemeonX Nov-06-12 4
         RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong Offsides Nov-07-12 5

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Zox
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1. "RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong"
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   Well, as you point out, he wasn't thinking very straight at the time. He may have "regained the ability to function on a basic level" when he left New Avalon, but he was looking for solitude, that "Exile frame of mind" as it's been referred to elsewhere. (Interesting, that he often looks for comfort by looking back to the darkest time of his life, but there it is.)

Perhaps when he realized that he should have taken Wolfgang with him, that became the moment when his thoughts began to once again turn outward, and back to all the other things that still mattered to him?

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2. "RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong"
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   >Well, as you point out, he wasn't thinking very straight at the time.
>He may have "regained the ability to function on a basic level" when
>he left New Avalon, but he was looking for solitude, that "Exile frame
>of mind" as it's been referred to elsewhere. (Interesting, that he
>often looks for comfort by looking back to the darkest time of his
>life, but there it is.)
>
>Perhaps when he realized that he should have taken Wolfgang
>with him, that became the moment when his thoughts began to once again
>turn outward, and back to all the other things that still
>mattered to him?

That sounds plausable to me. After all, at one's lowest point, there's nowhere to go but up, and if you can simulate the experience WITHOUT being shot at by every bounty hunter in the quadrant, well hey, you've already got one up on the original experience.





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3. "RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong"
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   >(Interesting, that he
>often looks for comfort by looking back to the darkest time of his
>life, but there it is.)

It's not so much comfort as... I'm not sure, reinforcement, maybe. "Comfort" implies feeling better. At moments like that he reaches for memories of the Exile to remind himself that he's had worse and outlasted it. It doesn't make him feel better, but it stiffens his resolve.

As to the rest, it's a solid theory - the kind of retroactive explanation Marvel Comics used to give No-Prizes for back in the day. We'll just assume it should have appeared in a corner-of-panel narration box at some point but was omitted due to a printer's error. :)

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4. "RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong"
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   Hmmm. Now that I think back on it, I just figured that Wolfgang was always with Gryphon. A silent companion that didn't judge or question, always there to be a shoulder when needed.

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5. "RE: Sometimes You Realize You Did It Wrong"
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   I just assumed that when he was reaching for that exile feeling he was remembering being completely alone with nobody else around him to possibly get hurt, and either left Wolfgang behind to "protect" him, or possibly even just plain forgot about taking him. In any case, while it did seem a little strange, it wasn't too bad. And by leaving Wolfgang with the people he trusted to care for him, Gryphon ensured that Wolfgang would be around for when he came back.

I don't consider it an error so much as an odd, improbable choice. But not impossible, as it were...

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