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"DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
 
   (Since the Forum appears to be getting a little tetchy about long threads and I noticed I hadn't addressed this, here is another thread to be going on with.)

>>Philosophically (as opposed to practically/mechanically) speaking,
>>she's not a very good airbender, and she is acutely aware of that,
>>which makes it worse.
>
>If Lhakpa's the first of the new descendants of Aang who is a skilled
>airbender but is crap at/hates/is indifferent to the airbender
>philosophy and lifestyle, that almost makes her a -pioneer-.

Oh, I doubt she's the first, though she may be the first of her generation. Ironically enough - and this will not have eluded Lhakpa - Aang was a terrible Air Nomad, but he got away with it because he was a) the last one and b) the Avatar. The elders of his boyhood would probably shake their heads in dismay at the version of airbender culture that has developed in his wake, and doubly so at someone like Lhakpa, who can't even stick at the preposterously liberalized new model. :)

That said, Lhakpa and Nyima are members of the first post-Aang generation to really have the luxury of having people in it who are Not On Board. In Jinora and her siblings' day, they were it. If any of them had walked away (and I suspect Ikki, for one, rather wanted to at times), the survival of the airbender nation itself would have been in some measure of doubt. Lhakpa thinks she's experiencing societal pressures?

>Jinora will certainly not like it,

I'm actually not so sure about that. It's easy to forget, as both Lhakpa and Nyima often do, that Jinora was young once, and though she never seems to have doubted her path herself, she certainly will have known people who did.

There is a peculiar and awkward disconnect between the traditional, rigorous lifestyle of an Air Nomad and the free-and-adaptive nature of airbending itself, and though it never seems to have occurred to Tenzin (who was, after all, a bit thick), Jinora's too clever not to have noticed it. Her contemplation of that dichotomy as grandmaster, and her closeness to her grandfather's spirit, are probably responsible for much of the relative liberalization of Air Nomadry we see by the third century - and, as such, one doubts she has it in her to be too severe with a descendant who finds what regimentation remains unsatisfying.

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1. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >(Since the Forum appears to be getting a little tetchy about long
>threads and I noticed I hadn't addressed this, here is another thread
>to be going on with.)

Well, since it's my comment you're responding to... XD

>
>>>Philosophically (as opposed to practically/mechanically) speaking,
>>>she's not a very good airbender, and she is acutely aware of that,
>>>which makes it worse.
>>
>>If Lhakpa's the first of the new descendants of Aang who is a skilled
>>airbender but is crap at/hates/is indifferent to the airbender
>>philosophy and lifestyle, that almost makes her a -pioneer-.
>
>Oh, I doubt she's the first, though she may be the first of her
>generation. Ironically enough - and this will not have eluded Lhakpa
>- Aang was a terrible Air Nomad, but he got away with it
>because he was a) the last one and b) the Avatar. The elders of his
>boyhood would probably shake their heads in dismay at the version of
>airbender culture that has developed in his wake, and doubly so at
>someone like Lhakpa, who can't even stick at the preposterously
>liberalized new model. :)

You have to wonder, when looking at the ancient air nomads, just how much of this reasoning the original ATLA writers didn't bother to do before writing the show. This is far enough removed from the action that it's easy to overlook, but when you break it down, it becomes difficult to explain without adding in a 'they kept their kids unworldly so they wouldn't want to leave' clause like they were Amish. Certainly ancient air nomad culture can't be explained solely through human nature.

>
>That said, Lhakpa and Nyima are members of the first post-Aang
>generation to really have the luxury of having people in it who
>are Not On Board. In Jinora and her siblings' day, they were
>it. If any of them had walked away (and I suspect Ikki, for
>one, rather wanted to at times), the survival of the airbender nation
>itself would have been in some measure of doubt. Lhakpa thinks
>she's experiencing societal pressures?

Hmm. I think I'd lost track of the number of generations, or just didn't do the math. But...yeah. I think I heard '100-some airbenders' and thought more than 4 generations were around. But I may not have factored in the longer lifespans. But, thinking about it...we have Aang and Katara, then Jinora's generation, then Tenzin's, then Nyima and Lhakpa's....I think. I could be wrong.

In any case, that '1 in 100 is a bender' thing is looking less and less likely all the time. I wonder if the rate is accelerating? Maybe at the same rate that psions in the Big Universe is accelerating? Hmmmmm~

Isn't that an interesting line of thought?

>
>>Jinora will certainly not like it,
>
>I'm actually not so sure about that. It's easy to forget, as both
>Lhakpa and Nyima often do, that Jinora was young once, and though she
>never seems to have doubted her path herself, she certainly will have
>known people who did.

Well, she may convince herself intellectually that it's all right, but I have a feeling at first, emotionally, she'll be unhappy about it.


>
>There is a peculiar and awkward disconnect between the traditional,
>rigorous lifestyle of an Air Nomad and the free-and-adaptive nature of
>airbending itself, and though it never seems to have occurred to
>Tenzin (who was, after all, a bit thick), Jinora's too clever not to
>have noticed it. Her contemplation of that dichotomy as grandmaster,
>and her closeness to her grandfather's spirit, are probably
>responsible for much of the relative liberalization of Air Nomadry we
>see by the third century - and, as such, one doubts she has it in her
>to be too severe with a descendant who finds what regimentation
>remains unsatisfying.

I mentioned the my OOC thoughts on this above. ICly, however, I suspect you're 100% right...and I also suspect there will come a time a couple more generations from now where the airbender nation will want to settle and be separate from the air nomads. That dichotomy is too distinct and too much a part of everyday life to not be thrown in the face, eventually, of every family descended from Aang. That will put Republic City in an interesting spot.

--------

this world created by the
hands of the gods
everything is false
everything is a LIE
the final days have come
now
let everything be destroyed

--mu


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2. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >>That said, Lhakpa and Nyima are members of the first post-Aang
>>generation to really have the luxury of having people in it who
>>are Not On Board. In Jinora and her siblings' day, they were
>>it. If any of them had walked away (and I suspect Ikki, for
>>one, rather wanted to at times), the survival of the airbender nation
>>itself would have been in some measure of doubt. Lhakpa thinks
>>she's experiencing societal pressures?
>
>Hmm. I think I'd lost track of the number of generations, or just
>didn't do the math. But...yeah. I think I heard '100-some airbenders'
>and thought more than 4 generations were around. But I may not have
>factored in the longer lifespans. But, thinking about it...we have
>Aang and Katara, then Jinora's generation, then Tenzin's, then Nyima
>and Lhakpa's....I think. I could be wrong.

From what we've seen, the family tree's broken down something like this:

Aang (Last Airbender pre-Sozin's Comet/First Airbender post-Sozin's Comet) + Katara
|
Tenzin the Elder ("Last" Airbender in the period between Aang's death and Jinora's birth) + Pema
|
Jinora, Ikki, Meelo, Rohan (all airbenders) (each deciding to bear/sire multiple children)
|
Descendants of the above four (Not as many wanting to go the multiple-child route, but at least encouraged to have at least one.)
|
|
Shespa (Rohan's granddaughter) and others of her generation (Not all of them bearing/siring children, but still likely)
|
| <- -possibly- a generation extra in here, but not likely. It all depends on when and how others got born.
|
Tenzin the Younger, Gyatso the Younger, Nyima, Lhakpa, etc (the current young generation of airbenders).

Any of the descendants below Jinora/Ikki/Meelo/Rohan may not have been airbenders, depending on luck of the draw from Aang/Katara's genetics, or the bending status of their other parent. They're still considered part of the Air Commonwealth, but they don't all personally self-identify with the air nation or as Air Acolytes (see Bumi the Younger (nonbender) and Kya (waterbender), Tenzin the Elder's older siblings).

So, if Lhakpa ultimately doesn't want to technically be "An Air Nomad", there's plenty of counter-examples in place, though how much she'll feel like identifying with those groups is up in the air, as it were.

--- Philip





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3. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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>Hmm. I think I'd lost track of the number of generations, or just
>didn't do the math. But...yeah. I think I heard '100-some airbenders'
>and thought more than 4 generations were around.

There are. There are something like 200 airbenders in the world in 291 ASC, representing at least four, probably more like five or six, generations.

>But, thinking about it...we have
>Aang and Katara, then Jinora's generation, then Tenzin's, then Nyima
>and Lhakpa's....I think. I could be wrong.

You are. Tenzin was Jinora's father, for one thing, so they're all out of order, and Jinora is Nyima and Lhakpa's great-grandmother:

Aang - Katara
|
Tenzin - Pema
|
-----------------------------
| | | |
Jinora - ? Ikki Meelo Rohan
|
?
|
?
|
-----------
| |
Lhakpa Nyima


So they're of the fifth generation since the Hundred Year War. It's entirely possible, as well, that there are other Air Nomad youngsters of comparable age who are of later generations on the tree; there's a ten-year age difference between Tenzin's eldest and youngest children, and people are living longer and potentially having families later, so if we widened the focus to show the rest of that family tree, it probably starts getting a bit complicated in the middle generations.

For example, we know Rohan has a granddaughter, Shespa, who's in her early sixties, so she could well have grandchildren or possibly even very young great-grandchildren by now. And the still-younger airbender kids we've seen, like Tenzin Minor and Gyatso, may well be of the sixth or even seventh generation.

Airbenders are no longer in danger of dying out, is what I'm getting at; all hands no longer need to be on deck for perpetuation of the line. :)

>In any case, that '1 in 100 is a bender' thing is looking less and
>less likely all the time.

That's in the general population. Air Nomads have never fit that curve. The ancients were all airbenders; the Air Acolyte thing is a recent development, and comes of Aang basically adopting a neurotically imitative non-bender Air-Nomad-otaku club after the Hundred Year War.

>I mentioned the my OOC thoughts on this above. ICly, however, I
>suspect you're 100% right...and I also suspect there will come a time
>a couple more generations from now where the airbender nation will
>want to settle and be separate from the air nomads.

I think it's much more likely that, even if some segment of the airbender population decides to remain sedentary and back off a bit on the Tibetan-monk thing, they'll remain a single nation. It's not likely to be a bitter split like the Northern Water Tribe-Southern Water Tribe thing. In fact, if you look closely, it's already sort of happening. The older airbenders, like Jinora and her generation, no longer migrate, but remain at the Central Air Temple. There didn't, insofar as I know, used to be a provision for an Air Nomad deciding he or she was too old for that crap and settling someplace; you wandered the world until you died.

It's a different world now, though, than it was when Aang was a boy. He (reluctantly, one admits) recognized that when he re-established the airbender nation after the war, and his descendants are alive to the realities as well. The trick is to let the culture evolve and adapt while still feeling as if one is keeping it intact - never an easy task.

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4. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >(Since the Forum appears to be getting a little tetchy about long
>threads and I noticed I hadn't addressed this, here is another thread
>to be going on with.)

Excellent! That means I can get my incredibly belated stuffs in!

>"Get a room, you two," Anthy Tenjou mumbled from the far side of
>Utena, but when she raised her own head, she was smiling at them both.

Apropos of this, it occurs to me that Anthy quite likely has all kinds of special "we're married now, ha ha" ribbing she's been saving up for use on her wonderful but less witty spouses.

>Three-quarters of an hour or so later, everyone was sorted out
>and ready to face the day.

... Anthy and Utena have blindingly fast toilettes, especially for women with as much hair as they do.

That's not snark, I am genuinely impressed.

>Standing by the sink in the ensuite with the door open,
>Corwin finished tending his beard. This, in its neatness, was
>considered a slightly weedy attempt by many of his maternal relations,
>but he was simply not up for growing the full Grizzly Adams, even if
>either of his ladies would have tolerated it (which he sincerely
>doubted).

Sidebar: for those of you who don't wear beards, don't let a guy tell you they do it because it's "easier than shaving." Even cursory efforts to properly maintain a beard are considerably more time and energy intensive than the most vigorous attempts to remain clean-shaven; there's constant trimming and edging duties, if you're going for the well-groomed look, and constant cleaning duties, if you're going for the full mountain man and want to be at all hygienic.

They're pure vanity, basically. Which is totally okay, but never let people tell you otherwise.

This digression has been completely irrelevant. I just wanted to talk about beards for awhile.

>"All my panic's on the inside," he
>assured her; then, less flippantly, he added, "Though actually, yeah, I
>feel pretty good. I mean, I wasn't sure -how- I'd react, and I think
>I'm still loading a bunch of the software patches, but overall? Not as
>unready as I expected to feel." He grinned wryly. "That'll probably
>change as soon as something doesn't go exactly right."

Awww, Corwin. I wonder if his Dad saw fit to inform him about the soul-destroying, stomach-churning fear parts of being a father that will eventually come along, or if he wants the lad to get the full, unfiltered experience on his own.

I look forward intensely to the moment that Annabelle becomes even slightly mobile and Corwin has to baby-proof a whole bunch of houses. Corwin being Corwin, one imagines that he will deploy over-engineered technological solutions for this, and it's going to be amazing.

>Pausing and turning as one, they were faintly surprised to
>discover Maki and Izumi, still fully kitted out in their old-fashioned
>Kyoshi Warriors dress gear, standing at parade rest on either side of
>the door.

You know.

That was a fun little bit with Maki and Izumi, but on a more prosaic and much more depressing note... it might behoove Corwin to seriously consider retaining full-time protection for Annabelle. He and Utena and Anthy are pretty cosmically badass, but they can't watch her all the time, and until she comes into her own she probably does, in fact, need to be watched all the time. Even with Garnet around.

Corwin and his spouses have... a lot of enemies, and they live in a much less stable galaxy than the one Corwin and his siblings and peers grew up in. And, frankly, it may have been a mistake on Gryphon and Kei's part to have left their first round of kids without full-time protection; if a pathetic slimeball like Mike Carpenter can get at Kaitlyn without anyone knowing, it isn't too far a stretch to think that unreconstructed Genom hardliners or a Muspelheim hit squad might have left her in pieces for them to find one day.

Last thing they want is for her uncle to roll up outside of Annabelle's primary school in his sweet ride and talk his way inside.

So maybe see what the Kyoshi Warriors have in the way of full-service protection packages. If it's good enough for the Fire Lords...

>"So listen, Corwin," said Ryo Sato, skipping straight over any
>introductory small talk. "I was just over in Minmin's office, and some
>guy from the Tribune had slipped past Security and was trying to get her
>to speculate on whether she thought you were going to, and I quote,
>'take our Avatar away from us'. Now, pardon my Kokugo, but what the
>-honk,- son?"

God dammit Ryo, I need to decide if I find you or your sister more awesomely adorable and you are not making it easy.

>Azana turned to Anne. "Do you believe anything this young man
>is saying?" she inquired, sounding genuinely curious.

To be fair, learning when Nall is messin' with your head or not is an acquired skill.

>Then, with a delighted sound, she attempted
>(unsuccessfully) to put the dragon's head in her mouth.

"Well, gentlemen, we've successfully confirmed that Annabelle is, in fact, a baby."

>"Aw, are you leaving?" said Garnet drowsily from her new
>station. "I was just thinking I'd like to look at you for maybe a
>couple more hours."

Oddly enough, probably not even close to the weirdest line Azana has ever received.

>He bowed again, first to Utena, then to Corwin. "Maximilian Chin
>Yongmin XVII, Supreme Civil Servant to Their Excellencies the President
>and Senate of the United Republic of Nations and Hereditary Chief
>Bureaucrat to the Celestial Emperors of the Western Reaches, at your
>service."

Hmm. That sentence scans oddly to me; I think of "excellency" as a title used for a person, rather than an institution like a Senate. But that might just be me.

That said, oh man am I a big fan of Chin's. It may not have escaped the notice of either of our hosts that I am a huge fan of people who work within the system in an awesome way; I'm a big proponent of the 'heroic bureacrat' archetype (if there is such a thing) someone who makes shit happen using memos and signatures and the secret powers of paperwork. (I like Director Manning and Shizuru for the same reasons.) Chin is like catnip for me.

>And with that, he removed from his back a dark-stained,
>beautifully made wooden pack that turned out to be a sort of portable
>secretary with shoulder straps, placed it on the end of the bed, and
>began to unpack a surprising amount of kit from within it: documents in
>expensive-looking dark card folders, an inking pad and roller, adhesive
>wafers, paper-wrapped gold foil, and a pliers-like sealing device.

See? Tell me that that kit is any less impressive, or less powerful, than, say Batman's utility belt. I challenge you.

>"As such,
>Annabelle is already a citizen of the United Republic, by virtue of
>having been born here.

I am very happy that the Republic practices jus soli rather than just jus sanguinis.

(I am easily pleased.)

>"For the record, the dragon companion thing would be entirely
>optional," Minami allowed. "That might actually make the product of our
>destined union -too- powerful."

You know, I'm well aware the technology wasn't available back in their day, but god damn if Minami isn't what I imagine you'd get from a mixture of Korra and Asami's genetics.

>"To hear the man who sneaked into my office tell it, their
>society editors think you're planning to sweep Korra off her feet and
>carry her off back to your fairy castle in the sky, or wherever it is
>you keep yourself when you're not here," said Minami dryly.

I'd just like everyone to know that my mind wandered off on a long digression as to which, if any, of the Trinity own the upside-down castle in Cephiro, and how they've decorated it.

I may have made some bad life choices.

... wait, hold on.

>society editors think you're planning to sweep Korra off her feet and

... bzuh?

>Check it out: 'What Avatar
>Korra plans to do with her new conquest now that she has severed him
>from his exotic companion is far from clear, but we cannot ignore the
>possibility that she may return with him to wherever on the Outside he
>comes from. The cause for concern here is plain: the consequences of
>such a cavalier abandonment of her duties would be grave indeed. We can
>only wait and hope that discretion and the needs of her world win out
>over our hot-blooded Avatar's latest fiery infatuation.'"

Oh. Huh. Okay, I was rather gratuitously wrong, then. I'd somehow come to the conclusion that the Trib and/or Emily was going to go with the theory that Corwin was Korra's illegitimate spawn, not that she was dating him. I mean, yes I know why that is far-fetched and they do not, but still.

Also... seriously, Tribune? I don't have a lot of respect for society pages to begin with, but my god. There's an art to scandal and rumour-mongering. It goes back... well, it goes back forever, really, and I don't know what the tradition is like in Diqiu, but here in the english-speaking world it stretches back to 17th century pamphleteering campaigns in London, the precursors of what we'd recognize as modern opinion journalism. And you had to be subtle and wicked and very deliberate in how you scandalmongered, because back then they had actual laws on the books about making mock of your social betters and you could potentially wind up taking a little trip to Tyburn for a misplaced word.

Even centuries later, when that couldn't happen, there was an art and an elegance to it. News of Edward VIIs scandalous relationship with a foreign divorcee was handled with wicked aplomb on both sides of the pond, for example.

For shame, Tribune. This is like going fishing with dynamite. It's crude and blunt and direct, the society page equivalent of low-end porn. As someone who likes to read good things, I am personally offended.

>She had, over the last
>week or so, developed what she had flattered herself was a reasonably
>good working relationship with Master Cheong, the White Lotus master who
>managed Avatar Korra's press relations. He hadn't told her much of
>anything useful, but their conversations had at least been cordial,
>bordering on friendly.

Mmm.

Something to watch in yourself, Emily. Cheong is a PR flack. PR flacks should never be friendly with or pleased to talk to a reporter; they should be frightened and in a constant state of wondering what body you've discovered.

But that's okay. You're young, and still learning.

>Something in Emily broke loose at that; banging a fist down on
>the newspaper, she blazed, "Don't take that tone with me! Have you ever
>had to work to a deadline?" She gestured vaguely in the direction of
>the Tribune building and went on, "I've been searching for that context
>for the past 16 hours. I've -had- to, because -someone- thought it
>would be funny to just string me along all week."

THERE it is. Yes. You have justified my faith in you.

>Emily put her hands on her hips and gave Utena a challenging
>look. "You want to know the really impressive part? I got all that
>since nine-thirty last night."

Hah! I feel validated now.

Once she actually remembered she was a goddamn reporter living in what was a reasonable facsimile of the information age, it all just came together for Emily. Public records are public for a reason, girl, and people didn't make commercial-grade search engines just because it was fun.

In the future, she'll know to do this sort of thing right away, which will serve her in good stead when she has subjects who are less friendly and more, you know... highly illegal than Corwin and Utena are.

>Korra thought about her answer for a moment, looking steadily
>back at her; then she said, "Well, I suppose, if you get right down to
>it, I'm his godmother."

And now doesn't Emily feel silly.

>"The Tribune's photo lab wouldn't
>know what to do with Minox film. They're going all computerized anyway,
>but I don't trust that stuff. Where's the archival permanence? They
>can't even read the magnetic tapes from the Phoenix Flight mission -at
>Future Industries- any more."

Assuming its at all like memory diamond, Emily is going to love datacrystal technology when it gets to Diqiu. All the convenience of digitized information combined with archival permanence that rivals letters carved onto stone slabs.

>Emily looked up again, seeming like she might be on the verge of
>tears. "I don't know when it happened, exactly; it was so subtle I
>can't trace it back now... but somewhere in the last couple of years, I
>lost my way. I was disappointed that my childhood idol turned out NOT
>to be a homewrecker. How screwed up -is- that?!" she demanded.

This is what I imagine working for the New York Post must be like.

(Social commentary!)

>If you
>do what you can to tidy up the mess your editor made so I don't actually
>have to have the White Lotus sue the Tribune for libel - which I don't
>want to do, but I will if I have to

Without getting into a debate about the advisability or lack thereof of strict libel laws, this is another reason the Tribune article sucked. You never expose yourself legally like that unless you've got something along the lines of "President Is Doing Secret Murders."

>"I was kidding before, but it
>-does- make a girl think," she added with a grin, then trailed her
>fingertips along the line of his bearded jaw as she turned away and
>headed for the aircraft.

I will never stop thinking that Minami should have given Corwin a full, open-palm slap on the ass right in front of everyone before flying away in her awesome autogyro.

>"Nyima has something she wants to tell you, Corwin!" said Lhakpa
>cheerfully from the hall. Then she slid the door shut with a bang and
>could be heard trotting off down the hall, humming tunelessly.

Oh God.

Nothing good ever starts this way. This is how conversations with the words "slept with your wife" or "this one time, at band camp" in them begin.

>She forgot
>exactly where she had read or heard it, but it resonated nicely with a
>phrase in a text that Gryphon had lent her during one of her prior
>visits to New Avalon: "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations".

The extreme irony here, of course, is that I can't imagine Korra getting along at all with Vulcans who are seriously into the Way of Surak, with the possible exception of Spock, and that's only because Spock has years of Kirk Handling under his belt and knows how to deal with Korra's type.

>-That- was what the members of the White Lotus who had
>perpetrated their ill-timed deception had forgotten, or never really
>brought onboard in the first place.

I'm going to defend the White Lotus again (yes, from Korra's internal monologue, shut up) and hope charitably that they were motivated less by close-mindedness than by the genuine metaphysical concern of having no clue how their vitally important Avatar mechanism interacts with the rest of the cosmos. One imagines that the senior Lotuses now had their formative years during the whole Vaatu... incident. Watching Korra get her soul folded, spindled, and mutilated probably put some real fear into'em.

>"So," Utena went on, "when she came to me and said she wanted a
>child... I mean, what was I going to do, tell her no? 'You can't do
>that'?

Hmm. Okay, I'm going to want to unpack this entire cliff scene, because there are awesome feels and a lot of stuff happening under the surface.

I kind of feel like the answer to Utena's question, despite it being rhetorical, is actually "Yes. You should have told her no. Or, rather, you shouldn't have simply told her yes."

This isn't put out there explicitly, but... something I'm not even sure Utena is aware of is that she is, just a bit, in the same situation she was talking about re: agency. Only in this instance, it's not Anthy denying herself agency, but Utena.

And that's just not healthy. It wasn't healthy for Anthy to feel so incredibly obligated to her brother (and, eventually, his memory) that she would just do anything he asked, anything at all, because she felt obligated. Similarly, Utena shouldn't feel like she should do things she doesn't feel right about just because Anthy is the one doing the asking, and she loves Anthy and would do anything for her.

This isn't to imply Anthy and Utena's relationship is any more dysfunctional than every relationship is, of course. But it seems like part of why Utena is so jacked up about this is because on some level she realizes that she should have had a much, MUCH longer discussion with Anthy about this before pulling the trigger... but that thought seems unworthy and wrong to her, because it involved constraining Anthy to her own desires.

It's not wrong, or unworthy. It's totally legitimate. I'd have liked to see Korra go with more of the hard sell and say "You can't just live for others, you also have to live for yourself" point-blank, because Korra learned that lesson herself the hard way.

Anyway. Big feels on this scene.

>Bolin's effortless charm and his huge heart, Mako's bravery and
>dedication to his work

", Asami's amazing brain, spirit of adventure, and fine, fine ass."

"... wait. What?"

"Nothing!"

>"That whole thing is a scam
>designed to keep us in line. Anytime we take a fancy the elders don't
>approve of, they can trot out the detachment sermon. Well, I'm not
>buying it any more. It's not my fault if Nyima still is AND she's crap
>at it. It's actually kind of refreshing that there -is- something she's
>crap at in the -first- place," she added with a faintly malicious little
>smile.

See, this is one the reasons I wish these particular holidays weren't just devouring my life and I'd had time to get all up ins the debate over Lhakpa.

Because I'm just gonna say it: I like Lhakpa. Not just as a character. I kind of like her as a person.

Yeah, I know. She just... I dunno. I'm not even gonna trot out the old "I can relate to that" line. She just... she seems so oddly earnest and desperate, you know? I have a lot of sympathy for people who lash out because they're pissed off at the dictates life has surrounded them with.

I also like how real she feels. We've been surrounded by all these brutally earnest, big-hearted people for so long its kind of, weirdly, nice to see someone who isn't really evil, but is all full of earnest rage and more than a little spite. I love that stuff. It's why I'm such a huge Zuko fan.

So yeah. Don't listen to the haters. Lhakpa is great. She works on so many levels.

>"Well
>outside my field. Although I -will- build a baby-carrying robot if I
>have to."

"This is going to be like the hugging robot, isn't it?

"I have learned from the mistakes of Hugbots 1.0 to 5.2, thank you very much."

>Ito laughed. "I suspect this young lady could come up with
>pranks of her own that would leave my feeble repertoire in the shade,"
>he said, giving Anne a wink.

Oh man. Once Ito finds out Anne can set things on fire and extinguish them by thinking about it, with no obvious bending?

There is going to be pranking the likes of which the old man only dreamed of in his youth.

>"Bah," she said, "I only -dress- like a monk," and she kissed
>him again.

Yeah. I stand by my liking of Lhakpa.

>"The hard part's going to be access to the site," Corwin
>observed, looking over one of the aerial shots they'd taken upon
>departing. "We'll either have to build some kind of a road or bring
>everything in by air. Either option could get complicated."

Depending on the logistics involved, it might be simpler and easier to see if they could get a freighter into orbit. Rent one in New Avalon for a week, buy everything they need there, trundle over to Diqiu, pop through the veil, and just beam everything they need right to the site. Any incidentals they forgot they can haul in by air later.

>"He had a flair for titles, too. Crazy from the
>Heat... The Adventures of Snow Savage and Dirt Girl... To Wang Fire,
>Thanks for Everything! Ty Lee."

Aheh. That thread had longer legs than I thought it did, I guess. ^.^;

>"It should have a -tower,-" Corwin was saying, using the
>sketchpad app on his omni-tool to draw a rough, glowing outline in the
>air.

"A tower that's also an airship dock! And an observatory! An observatory with an orerry in it, like that one Wan Shi Tong has only better, because screw that guy."

>Sokka's literary agent
>Matthew Giglia

...

Ya know, Ben. If you're trying to not give me a big head, you're going about it in a very strange way.

(And now I feel supremely guilty about taking a week and a bloody half to get to doing comments on this thing. It's like I'm letting the side down.)

Seriously though, thanks for the shout-out. It's more than I deserve, really; all I did was come up with a few moderately interesting plays on words, one of which you liked enough to use. And that was in the middle of kinda-sorta playing around in your sandbox without being explicitly invited to.

I'll take it, though. Seventeen-year-old me would be all "eeeeeeeeeeeeeee" at the thought of an actual line in some UF credits. Thirty-two year old me tries to be more prosaic about these things. :)

As always, I may have more to say later, but I've spent six hours pounding this sucker out and have work in the morning.

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5. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >Sidebar: for those of you who don't wear beards, don't let a guy tell
>you they do it because it's "easier than shaving." Even cursory
>efforts to properly maintain a beard are considerably more time and
>energy intensive than the most vigorous attempts to remain
>clean-shaven

Bollocks.

>Awww, Corwin. I wonder if his Dad saw fit to inform him about the
>soul-destroying, stomach-churning fear parts of being a father that
>will eventually come along, or if he wants the lad to get the full,
>unfiltered experience on his own.

In fairness, Corwin has seen at least one of those happen already. You even alluded to it yourself a ways down. She was born yesterday and he's already woken up in the night at least once thinking about it.

>I look forward intensely to the moment that Annabelle becomes even
>slightly mobile and Corwin has to baby-proof a whole bunch of houses.
>Corwin being Corwin, one imagines that he will deploy over-engineered
>technological solutions for this, and it's going to be amazing.

For crying out loud, you make him sound like Emmett Brown. Corwin does at least know better than to reinvent the wheel for its own sake. :)

>That was a fun little bit with Maki and Izumi, but on a more prosaic
>and much more depressing note...

... because, really, this story's all about prosaic-and-depressing asides, am I right?

>And, frankly, it may have been a mistake on Gryphon and
>Kei's part to have left their first round of kids without full-time
>protection; if a pathetic slimeball like Mike Carpenter can get at
>Kaitlyn without anyone knowing

I call foul on this line of comparison. A, we'd all sort of tacitly agreed we weren't going to mention him on this forum again, but you probably haven't read the archives so I'll let that slide. B, Carpenter was a schoolmate and believed to be a friend, and turned out to be a Random Shitheel, he wasn't part of some kind of Manchurian Candidate scenario. To reliably prevent something like him from happening, the kids would have to have been home-schooled in a bunker. G&K weren't looking at repeating the Clark Savage, Jr. experiment, they were just trying to raise a goddam family.

(And frankly, the Chief feels bad enough about the whole business already, without some armchair analyst telling him his parenting style is reckless and lackadaisical, and this was a direct result. You may recall his own ruminations on the matter on New Year's Eve in 2404.)

>God dammit Ryo, I need to decide if I find you or your sister more
>awesomely adorable and you are not making it easy.

They can get very competitive sometimes. :)

>"Well, gentlemen, we've successfully confirmed that Annabelle is, in
>fact, a baby."

Heh, apropos of nothing, you just reminded me of another one of those "at the movies" images I had in conversation in the studio a bit back.

INT. DAY - ASAMI'S OFFICE

ASAMI stands behind her desk, looking sternly annoyed while MAKO and a TINHEAD unroll a small rug on top of it to reveal a charred and mangled metal object. Her mood is not improved by the sight of it, though the two cops seem tentatively hopeful that it would be. After a few moment's consideration, she folds her arms and glares at MAKO.

ASAMI
(sarcastically)
Well, congratulations, gentlemen. Thanks to the diligence of the Republic City Police Department, it appears this particular vacuum cleaner did not fall into the wrong hands.

>>"Aw, are you leaving?" said Garnet drowsily from her new
>>station. "I was just thinking I'd like to look at you for maybe a
>>couple more hours."
>
>Oddly enough, probably not even close to the weirdest line Azana has
>ever received.

Probably not, but it is one of the most sincerely meant.

>>He bowed again, first to Utena, then to Corwin. "Maximilian Chin
>>Yongmin XVII, Supreme Civil Servant to Their Excellencies the President
>>and Senate of the United Republic of Nations and Hereditary Chief
>>Bureaucrat to the Celestial Emperors of the Western Reaches, at your
>>service."
>
>Hmm. That sentence scans oddly to me; I think of "excellency" as a
>title used for a person, rather than an institution like a Senate. But
>that might just be me.

It scans better than "Their Excellencies the President and Members of the Senate", and achieves the fine but important distinction that Chin works for the Senate, but not necessarily individual senators.

>I am very happy that the Republic practices jus soli rather than just
>jus sanguinis.

Given the nature of the country, it almost has to, or at least had to be set up that way, and has never bothered to change the rule now that it's better-established. I suspect that particular idea is de rigueur in most if not all of Diqiu, anyway.

>You know, I'm well aware the technology wasn't available back in their
>day, but god damn if Minami isn't what I imagine you'd get from a
>mixture of Korra and Asami's genetics.

Oh behave. You know Phil gets cross. If I have to have that argument with him again, I at least want to have started it myself and not just inherited it from you. :)

>I'd just like everyone to know that my mind wandered off on a long
>digression as to which, if any, of the Trinity own the upside-down
>castle in Cephiro, and how they've decorated it.

No one owns that or lives there; it's not in Cephiro and it's not even really a castle so much as a colossal art installation, purpose unknown.

>Oh. Huh. Okay, I was rather gratuitously wrong, then. I'd somehow come
>to the conclusion that the Trib and/or Emily was going to go with the
>theory that Corwin was Korra's illegitimate spawn

Why would that even be newsworthy? I've never received the impression that "legitimacy" in the European-nobility sense particularly matters to the person-on-the-street in Diqiu. Would anyone in the Tribune's readership even care if she had a child they hadn't previously been aware of? It's not like being the Avatar is a hereditary job.

>Assuming its at all like memory diamond, Emily is going to love
>datacrystal technology when it gets to Diqiu. All the convenience of
>digitized information combined with archival permanence that rivals
>letters carved onto stone slabs.

At least until people stop making crystal readers, which, as we have discussed, is the real problem with most other lost media...

>I will never stop thinking that Minami should have given Corwin a
>full, open-palm slap on the ass right in front of everyone before
>flying away in her awesome autogyro.

Please! Minami Sato is a woman of class, poise, and distinction. She would never stoop to a gesture as blatantly blue-collar as that.

Not without too much sake in her to for flying the autogyro to be feasible, anyway.

>>"Nyima has something she wants to tell you, Corwin!" said Lhakpa
>>cheerfully from the hall. Then she slid the door shut with a bang and
>>could be heard trotting off down the hall, humming tunelessly.
>
>Oh God.
>
>Nothing good ever starts this way. This is how conversations
>with the words "slept with your wife" or "this one time, at band camp"
>in them begin.

Although coming from Nyima to Corwin, the former would have been mighty interesting. I mean, absent all the other considerations, when would they have had the time?

>The extreme irony here, of course, is that I can't imagine Korra
>getting along at all with Vulcans who are seriously into the
>Way of Surak

In fairness, that has less to do with Korra and more to do with the fact that nobody but other hardcore Surakites and the Cybermen of Mondas get along with hardcore Surakites.

>One imagines that the senior Lotuses now had
>their formative years during the whole Vaatu... incident.

What, 120 years ago? Apart from Jinora, not so much.

>", Asami's amazing brain, spirit of adventure, and fine, fine ass."

        Then Utena said, "By the way... "
"Mm?"
"You look pretty sharp in the old crimson and black."
He grinned. "Thanks."
"Have you tried the shorts? They're very comfortable."
Corwin chuckled. "No, thank you. Not everybody's got legs
like yours."
"You'd look pretty funny with legs like mine."
"Isn't -that- the truth."

>Depending on the logistics involved, it might be simpler and easier to
>see if they could get a freighter into orbit. Rent one in New Avalon
>for a week, buy everything they need there, trundle over to Diqiu, pop
>through the veil, and just beam everything they need right to the
>site. Any incidentals they forgot they can haul in by air later.

Bah. Cheating.

>>"He had a flair for titles, too. Crazy from the
>>Heat... The Adventures of Snow Savage and Dirt Girl... To Wang Fire,
>>Thanks for Everything! Ty Lee."
>
>Aheh. That thread had longer legs than I thought it did, I guess. ^.^;

They're not quite the same books postulated there - for instance, Crazy from the Heat is almost completely different, as Azula in UF, alas, never got to the "eccentric palace fixture" phase, having gone straight from Bedlam to the Valley to crystallite, and was never seen again in Sokka's lifetime. The titles were too good not to call back to, though.

>Seriously though, thanks for the shout-out. It's more than I deserve,
>really; all I did was come up with a few moderately interesting plays
>on words, one of which you liked enough to use.

Well, y'know. Credit where it's due. You came up with it, I liked it enough to use it, that's kind of how it works. Ironic given that my entire literary career involves basically stealing stuff at a rate of knots, but I do have standards.

Try not to read too much into it. :)

>And that was in the
>middle of kinda-sorta playing around in your sandbox without being
>explicitly invited to.

In an uncanonical screwing-around thread! That's what they're there for. :)

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7. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
In response to message #5
 
   >>Sidebar: for those of you who don't wear beards, don't let a guy tell
>>you they do it because it's "easier than shaving." Even cursory
>>efforts to properly maintain a beard are considerably more time and
>>energy intensive than the most vigorous attempts to remain
>>clean-shaven
>
>Bollocks.

Um, yeah. I'm with Gryphon on that.

I mean, I just trimmed my beard for christmas. It took two minutes, not counting cleaning the sink afterwards. Granted my beard isn't the standard bearer for neatness. Keeping it clean is simply part of the shower routine and doesn't add anything much to time and effort.

Appearing clean-shaven would require close and careful attention to detail every couple of days at least.

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8. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >>>Sidebar: for those of you who don't wear beards, don't let a guy tell
>>>you they do it because it's "easier than shaving." Even cursory
>>>efforts to properly maintain a beard are considerably more time and
>>>energy intensive than the most vigorous attempts to remain
>>>clean-shaven
>>
>>Bollocks.
>
>Um, yeah. I'm with Gryphon on that.
>
>I mean, I just trimmed my beard for christmas. It took two minutes,
>not counting cleaning the sink afterwards. Granted my beard isn't the
>standard bearer for neatness. Keeping it clean is simply part of the
>shower routine and doesn't add anything much to time and effort.
>
>Appearing clean-shaven would require close and careful attention to
>detail every couple of days at least.

It really depends on all the factors like rate of beard growth, how sensitive the underlying skin is, and how much hygienic care the beard requires when it's actually present. Plus, how curly is the beard hair, what color it is (it doesn't necessarily match the color of what's on top of the head)... and do you have a significant other that finds it cuddly warm, or irritating, when they're kissed?





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9. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-13 AT 08:05 PM (EST)
 
You know what, I'm hard up for traffic on the board lately, but not this hard up.

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10. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   So, how 'bout dem Bears, eh?

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11. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >>I'd just like everyone to know that my mind wandered off on a long
>>digression as to which, if any, of the Trinity own the upside-down
>>castle in Cephiro, and how they've decorated it.

>No one owns that or lives there; it's not in Cephiro and it's not even really a >castle so much as a colossal art installation, purpose unknown.

ISTR at least one case of speculation that it was carved from the roots and/or branches of Yggdrasil that penetrated into the world in question... definitely not from a UF story, but an interesting concept nonetheless.

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12. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >ISTR at least one case of speculation that it was carved from the
>roots and/or branches of Yggdrasil that penetrated into the world in
>question... definitely not from a UF story, but an interesting concept
>nonetheless.

That is from UF, actually. The so-called "castle in the sky" above Cephiro's dueling floor is, in fact, carved from a root cluster of Yggdrasil, at the very base of Svartalfheim. Like I say, though, purpose unknown. The svartelves don't appear to have had anything to do with it; they don't go that far down. It's usually a lovely sunny day in the metaphysical space between Svartalfheim and Cephiro. Svartelves don't like that.

Cephirean speculations as to its origins and purpose usually have something to do with Ryo Zan Paku, because Cephirean speculations about virtually any other mystery usually have something to do with Ryo Zan Paku. :)

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13. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >>ISTR at least one case of speculation that it was carved from the
>>roots and/or branches of Yggdrasil that penetrated into the world in
>>question... definitely not from a UF story, but an interesting concept
>>nonetheless.
>
>That is from UF, actually. The so-called "castle in the sky" above
>Cephiro's dueling floor is, in fact, carved from a root cluster of
>Yggdrasil, at the very base of Svartalfheim. Like I say, though,
>purpose unknown. The svartelves don't appear to have had anything to
>do with it; they don't go that far down. It's usually a lovely sunny
>day in the metaphysical space between Svartalfheim and Cephiro.
>Svartelves don't like that.

Oh, ok. And yeah, I can see Svartalves avoiding that sort of thing.
("Sir, we're detecting dangerous levels of electromagnetic radiation out there."
("Very strange. What about the local life-forms?"
("They seem to have evolved to detect the radiation and use it to track each other.
("Good gods, that's perverse...")

>
>Cephirean speculations as to its origins and purpose usually have
>something to do with Ryo Zan Paku, because Cephirean speculations
>about virtually any other mystery usually have something to do
>with Ryo Zan Paku. :)
>

Huh. So 'Ryo Zan Paku' is the Cephirean equivalent of 'A Wizard Did It'?

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14. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >
>>
>>Cephirean speculations as to its origins and purpose usually have
>>something to do with Ryo Zan Paku, because Cephirean speculations
>>about virtually any other mystery usually have something to do
>>with Ryo Zan Paku. :)
>>
>
>Huh. So 'Ryo Zan Paku' is the Cephirean equivalent of 'A Wizard Did
>It'?

I think it's more that Cephiro has only one Really Mysterious Location, and that's Ryo Zan Paku. It's more the equivalent of Area 51.

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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-14 AT 04:58 PM (EST)
 
>>Huh. So 'Ryo Zan Paku' is the Cephirean equivalent of 'A Wizard Did
>>It'?
>
>I think it's more that Cephiro has only one Really Mysterious
>Location, and that's Ryo Zan Paku. It's more the equivalent of Area
>51.

No, not Area 51. Area 51 is a place established by Modern People to do Modern Things in, and is only inscrutable and tantalizing because of the security maintained by those people. Ryo Zan Paku is unspeakably ancient and mysterious, pre-dating any recorded civilization anywhere around it. About the only thing everyone can agree upon is its unmistakable air of majesty and importance.

In that respect, it's not comparable to anything on Earth. Imagine something as ancient as the Acheulean axe deposit at Olorgesailie in Kenya - where Homo erectus first made stone hand axes something like a million years ago, and kept it up for a staggeringly long time - only with the grandeur, artistic sophistication, and advanced construction techniques of Baron Haussmann's 19th-century reconstruction of Paris. Or if the Paleolithic cave art of present-day Spain and France (ca. 40,000 BCE) were very much older than they are, but consisted of drawings as intricate, detailed, and technologically inventive as the sketches of Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519). That's how incredible, and baffling, and intimidating Ryo Zan Paku is.

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16. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >In that respect, it's not comparable to anything on Earth. Imagine
>something as ancient as the Acheulean axe deposit at Olorgesailie in
>Kenya - where Homo erectus first made stone hand axes something
>like a million years ago, and kept it up for a staggeringly long time
>- only with the grandeur, artistic sophistication, and advanced
>construction techniques of Baron Haussmann's 19th-century
>reconstruction of Paris. Or if the Paleolithic cave art of
>present-day Spain and France (ca. 40,000 BCE) were very much
>older than they are, but consisted of drawings as intricate,
>detailed, and technologically inventive as the sketches of Leonardo da
>Vinci (1452-1519). That's how incredible, and baffling, and
>intimidating Ryo Zan Paku is.

Hmmm.

So more of an Atlantis (the mythic version espoused by new-age Celtophiles, for example). I can get with that.

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17. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >So more of an Atlantis (the mythic version espoused by new-age
>Celtophiles, for example). I can get with that.

Sort of, yeah. If the mythic Atlantis* had been real and was still plainly evident and accessible (but deserted) in the modern world, that would be a lot like Ryo Zan Paku in Cephiro. Not in terms of production design, as it were, but in the impression it would make.

--G.
* as opposed to the Minoan civilization of Crete, say.
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6. "RE: DS03 Goodbye & Hello, Revisited"
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   >>Three-quarters of an hour or so later, everyone was sorted out
>>and ready to face the day.
>
>... Anthy and Utena have blindingly fast toilettes, especially for
>women with as much hair as they do.
>
>That's not snark, I am genuinely impressed.

We've already discussed the fact that Anthy cheats, and as practical as Utena is, she probably has efficiency down to an art form.

>>He bowed again, first to Utena, then to Corwin. "Maximilian Chin
>>Yongmin XVII, Supreme Civil Servant to Their Excellencies the President
>>and Senate of the United Republic of Nations and Hereditary Chief
>>Bureaucrat to the Celestial Emperors of the Western Reaches, at your
>>service."
>
>Hmm. That sentence scans oddly to me; I think of "excellency" as a
>title used for a person, rather than an institution like a Senate. But
>that might just be me.
>
>That said, oh man am I a big fan of Chin's. It may not have escaped
>the notice of either of our hosts that I am a huge fan of people who
>work within the system in an awesome way; I'm a big proponent of the
>'heroic bureacrat' archetype (if there is such a thing) someone who
>makes shit happen using memos and signatures and the secret powers of
>paperwork. (I like Director Manning and Shizuru for the same reasons.)
>Chin is like catnip for me.
>
>>And with that, he removed from his back a dark-stained,
>>beautifully made wooden pack that turned out to be a sort of portable
>>secretary with shoulder straps, placed it on the end of the bed, and
>>began to unpack a surprising amount of kit from within it: documents in
>>expensive-looking dark card folders, an inking pad and roller, adhesive
>>wafers, paper-wrapped gold foil, and a pliers-like sealing device.
>
>See? Tell me that that kit is any less impressive, or less powerful,
>than, say Batman's utility belt. I challenge you.

See https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/Badass_Bureaucrat

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