19||0|3650|5|yes 0|0|0|||1||Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Gryphon||04:14:50|10/22/2006|In %5Bi%5DThe End of the Tour%5B%2Fi%5D%2C one of the Illogics makes a remark about his being %22now available at Cargo Six%21%22%0D%0A%0D%0ACargo Six is a chain of discount%2Fclose-out stores found throughout the Federation. They%27re the sort of place where you can never be quite sure what they%27re going to have%2C but whatever it is%2C they%27ll have a couple hundred of them and they%27ll be dirt cheap. They sell stock from closed-out warehouses%2C the undamaged salvage from fires and freighter crashes%2C auctioned-off recovered stuff from hijacked starships%2C that kind of thing. Their ads always feature bold announcements that %24WHATEVER is Now Available at Cargo Six.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe underlying reference%2C naturally%2C is to the overhead PA announcement in the %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D cargo bay during the scene in which Admiral Kirk has just arrived aboard at the beginning of %5Bi%5DStar Trek%3A The Motion Picture%5B%2Fi%5D. In the revised director%27s cut now out on DVD%2C all the sound effects and the PA voice have been changed %28and generally not for the better%2C IMO%2C though the actual cut of the movie is far superior to the original VHS release%29. In the original version%2C which I watched far too many times in my younger days%2C the computer voice can be heard droning in the background%2C %22Attention launch crews%3A a travel pod is now available at Cargo Six. Travel pod available%2C Cargo Six.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd now you know... the rest of the story.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 1|1|0|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|zwol||13:30:15|10/22/2006|Huh. I totally thought Cargo Six was the name of the room they were all in when he said that. %28I.e. I figured the band had taken over one of the Defiant%27s cargo bays for practice space.%29 2|2|1|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Gryphon||14:11:20|10/22/2006|%3EHuh. I totally thought Cargo Six was the name of the room they were %0D%0A%3Eall in when he said that. %28I.e. I figured the band had taken over one %0D%0A%3Eof the Defiant%27s cargo bays for practice space.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AHeh. No%2C they were at MacCready%27s Burgers %26 Chili in New Avalon when he said that. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 3|3|2|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|zwol||04:02:13|10/23/2006|%3E Heh. No%2C they were at MacCready%27s Burgers %26 Chili in New Avalon when he said that. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0AServe me right for not rereading the story before shooting my mouth off. 4|1|0|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Croaker||09:52:51|10/23/2006|That scene %28and the supposed lameness of the line%29 make SO much more sense now...%0D%0A%0D%0AThanks. 5|1|0|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Peter Eng||13:14:30|10/23/2006|%3EIn %5Bi%5DThe End of the Tour%5B%2Fi%5D%2C one of the Illogics makes a remark %0D%0A%3Eabout his being %22now available at Cargo Six%21%22 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ECargo Six is a chain of discount%2Fclose-out stores found throughout the %0D%0A%3EFederation. They sell stock %0D%0A%3Efrom closed-out warehouses%2C the undamaged salvage from fires and %0D%0A%3Efreighter crashes%2C auctioned-off recovered stuff from hijacked %0D%0A%3Estarships%2C that kind of thing.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0ASo Cargo Six is a cousin to today%27s ninety-nine cent stores%3F%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AI%27m only a Charter Member because of the DCForum upgrade%2C and because there%27s no rank below %22Clueless F%21wit.%22 6|2|5|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Gryphon||13:57:11|10/23/2006|%3ESo Cargo Six is a cousin to today%27s ninety-nine cent stores%3F %0D%0A%0D%0ANot quite. It%27s much more eclectic and weird than %22Blah For a Dollar%22-type places%2C and has stuff across a much wider price range. The only common factors in their stock are that they%27re cheaper than you%27d expect for what they are%2C and that they often don%27t have much of anything to do with the stuff right next to them. You%27d be as likely to find a 10-by-30 remnant of that hideous casino lobby carpet from the acid-freakout scene in %5Bi%5DFear %26 Loathing in Las Vegas%5B%2Fi%5D next to a stack of KitchenAid mixers%2C and maybe a hundred remaindered copies of %5Bi%5DSweet Jesus I Hate Bill O%27Reilly%5B%2Fi%5D next to that.%0D%0A%0D%0AReal-world analogs I can think of offhand include %5Blink%3Awww.mardens.com%7CMarden%27s%5D and %5Blink%3Awww.building19.com%7CBuilding 19%5D%2C but I think both of those are New England regional things%2C so those of you outside the area may not be all that enlightened by that.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 7|3|6|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|pjmoyer||15:28:09|10/23/2006|%3E%3ESo Cargo Six is a cousin to today%27s ninety-nine cent stores%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A%3EReal-world analogs I can think of offhand include %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.mardens.com%7CMarden%27s%5D and %5Blink%3Awww.building19.com%7CBuilding 19%5D%2C but I think both of those are New England regional things%2C so those of you outside the area may not be all that enlightened by that. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Blink%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuesdaymorning.com%2Fci%2Fci.asp%7CTuesday Morning%5D would be another analog%2C which is spread out among the lower 48%2C I think. Somewhat disorganized%2C no garuntees on what may well be in stock%2C but if you time things right you can get some damn good deals when other places let go of their inventory and hand it over to Tuesday Morning.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Philip%0D%0A%5Btable%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%223%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D2 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%0D%0A%5Btr%5D%5Btd width%3D%2265%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie.org%2F%7Eaerianne%2Ffoth.img%2Fgaia_ser_philip_saber.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%0D%0A%5Btd%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000dd%22%5DPhilip J. Moyer%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000aa%22 size%3D-2%5DContributing Writer%2C Editor and Artist %28and Moderator%29 -- Eyrie Productions%2C Unlimited%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000aa%22 size%3D-2%5DCEO of MTS%2C High Poobah Of Artwork%2C and High Priest Of the Church Of Aerianne -- Magnetic Terrapin Studios%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230044aa%22 size%3D-1%5D%5Bi%5D%22... Who never turns up his nose at extremely discounted LEGO...%22%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd width%3D%2265%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie.org%2F%7Eaerianne%2Ffoth.img%2Fgaia_aeri_coat_sword.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%0D%0A%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%223%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D1 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 8|3|6|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Ardaniel||17:30:03|10/23/2006|Those of you who%27ve been in and around Kansas City%2C MO might also know of Cargo Largo%2C which spawned a Northern California outpost for about two years that we dubbed %22the GENOM Outlet.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace 10|4|8|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|SneakyPete||09:35:59|10/24/2006|%3EThose of you who%27ve been in and around Kansas City%2C MO might also know %0D%0A%3Eof Cargo Largo%2C which spawned a Northern California outpost for about %0D%0A%3Etwo years that we dubbed %22the GENOM Outlet.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0AAlso %22Big Lots%22 across the Midwest. 11|5|10|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Ardaniel||17:57:10|10/24/2006|Ah%2C yes%2C BIG%21 LOTS%21 We have them here in CA%2C too%2C although they%27re not as much fun as Cargo Largo. More of a depressing vibe to ours.%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace 12|6|11|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Moonsword||19:49:05|10/24/2006|They%27re around in Georgia%2C too. No idea whether they%27re fun or not%2C since I don%27t generally shop in there. 9|3|6|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|BobSchroeck||23:58:06|10/23/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-06 AT 01:07 AM (EDT) by Wedge (moderator)]%3EReal-world analogs I can think of offhand include %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.mardens.com%7CMarden%27s%5D and %5Blink%3Awww.building19.com%7CBuilding 19%5D%2C %0D%0A%3Ebut I think both of those are New England regional things%2C so %0D%0A%3Ethose of you outside the area may not be all that enlightened by that. %0D%0A%0D%0AAh. Like Odd-Job Trading in the NYC area and south... Gotcha.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Bob%0D%0A-------------------%0D%0AThe President is on the line%0D%0AAs ninety-nine crab rangoons go by... 13|1|0|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|BLUE||19:49:11|10/24/2006|Sounds to me like an outlet mall all crammed into one store. %3A%29 14|1|0|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|JeanneHedge||21:17:28|10/29/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-06 AT 09:22 PM (EST)]%3EThe underlying reference%2C naturally%2C is to the overhead PA %0D%0A%3Eannouncement in the %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D cargo bay during the scene in %0D%0A%3Ewhich Admiral Kirk has just arrived aboard at the beginning of %5Bi%5DStar %0D%0A%3ETrek%3A The Motion Picture%5B%2Fi%5D. In the revised director%27s cut now out %0D%0A%3Eon DVD%2C all the sound effects and the PA voice have been changed %28and %0D%0A%3Egenerally not for the better%2C IMO%2C though the actual cut of the movie %0D%0A%3Eis far superior to the original VHS release%29. %0D%0A%0D%0A%28picking the OT part to ask about%29%0D%0AWhen did this director%27s cut come out%3F Any idea who was the director responsible for it%3F IIRC%2C Robert Wise died over a year ago.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22 width%3D%2280%25%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd align%3D%22center%22 width%3D%2210%25%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fmisc%2Foldowl.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5D%5Bb%5DJeanne Hedge%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bi%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%22Believe me%2C if I have to go the rest of my life without companionship%2C knowing myself won%27t be a problem.%22%0D%0A -- Gabrielle of Potadeia%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 15|2|14|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Gryphon||21:46:09|10/29/2006|%3EWhen did this director%27s cut come out%3F Any idea who was the director %0D%0A%3Eresponsible for it%3F IIRC%2C Robert Wise died over a year ago. %0D%0A%0D%0AEr%2C several years ago%3B hang on%2C lemme go have a look at the box.%0D%0A%0D%0AHere we go. %5Bi%5D%5Blink%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FStar-Trek-Motion-Picture-Directors%2Fdp%2FB00005JKHP%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1162175818%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_sr_1%2F002-5825301-2900027%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Ddvd%7CStar Trek%3A The Motion Picture %28The Director%27s Edition%29%5D%5B%2Fi%5D - street date Nov. 6%2C 2001. IIRC%2C it kicked off Paramount%27s two-disc special edition reissues of all the %5Bi%5DStar Trek%5B%2Fi%5D movies%2C which concluded with the special edition reissue of %5Bi%5DNemesis%5B%2Fi%5D last year.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs such%2C the director responsible was the man himself%2C Robert Wise%2C who finally got a chance to go back and recut the movie he was forced to finish in such an almighty hurry in 1979 that whole effects sequences were dropped untrimmed into the final print%2C just as they had arrived from the effects studios. It also includes a few new effects shots - mainly visuals from the exterior of %5Bi%5DV%27ger%5B%2Fi%5D that were storyboarded but couldn%27t be realized with the technology of 1979%2C at least not in the time available - and a new sound mix.%0D%0A%0D%0AAlas%2C I disagree with many of the choices Mr. Wise made regarding the sound effects used in the new mix%2C but that may simply be because I saw the original version %5Bi%5Dso many times%5B%2Fi%5D that the sound effects it shipped with in %2779 are permanent parts of my mental landscape now. The rest of the package%2C though%2C is fantastic.%0D%0A%0D%0AOther features of the set%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A - Commentary by Wise%2C photographic effects director Douglas Trumbull%2C effects supervisor John Dykstra %28also of %5Bi%5DStar Wars%5B%2Fi%5D and %5Bi%5DBattlestar Galactica%5B%2Fi%5D fame%29%2C composer Jerry Goldsmith%2C and Stephen %22Will Decker%22 Collins%3B%0D%0A%0D%0A - Text commentary %28i.e.%2C pithy subtitles%29 by Michael Okuda%2C describing various geeky features of the film %28like who made the globe of Jupiter used in the shot where the %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D is speeding out of the solar system%29 - this feature went on to be one of the signature features of the two-disc %5Bi%5DTrek%5B%2Fi%5D reissues%3B%0D%0A%0D%0A - A documentary about %5Bi%5DStar Trek%3A Phase II%5B%2Fi%5D%2C the television series revival project that eventually became %5Bi%5DStar Trek%3A The Motion Picture%5B%2Fi%5D%3B%0D%0A%0D%0A - Documentaries about the making of the Director%27s Edition%3B%0D%0A%0D%0A - Several deleted scenes from both the 1979 theatrical and 1983 television versions %28including the infamous %22unfinished effects%22 shot of Captain Kirk outside the soundstage%2C er%2C %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D%29%3B and%0D%0A%0D%0A - All the usual stuff - old TV ads%2C the trailers for the movie%2C a promo for %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D %28which hadn%27t started airing on UPN yet when the DVD came out%29%2C etc.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt%27s a helluva package%2C and well worth the 11 zorkmids plus handling Amazon wants for it%2C IMO.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 16|3|15|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|JeanneHedge||23:09:17|10/29/2006|%3E%3EWhen did this director%27s cut come out%3F Any idea who was the director %0D%0A%3E%3Eresponsible for it%3F IIRC%2C Robert Wise died over a year ago. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EEr%2C several years ago%3B hang on%2C lemme go have a look at the box. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EHere we go. %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5D%5Blink%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FStar-Trek-Motion-Picture-Directors%2Fdp%2FB00005JKHP%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1162175818%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_sr_1%2F002-5825301-2900027%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Ddvd%7CStar Trek%3A The Motion Picture %28The Director%27s Edition%29%5D%5B%2Fi%5D - street date %0D%0A%3ENov. 6%2C 2001. IIRC%2C it kicked off Paramount%27s two-disc special %0D%0A%3Eedition reissues of all the %5Bi%5DStar Trek%5B%2Fi%5D movies%2C which concluded %0D%0A%3Ewith the special edition reissue of %5Bi%5DNemesis%5B%2Fi%5D last year. %0D%0A%0D%0A%3Csnippage%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EIt%27s a helluva package%2C and well worth the 11 zorkmids plus handling %0D%0A%3EAmazon wants for it%2C IMO. %0D%0A%0D%0AThanks much. For some weird reason I read your original message as saying that this was something new. %28by now we all know that re-re-re-issues are fairly standard%2C and not just for movies either - ADV has been re-re-re-issuing %5Bi%5DFarscape%5B%2Fi%5D since before it was cancelled%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22 width%3D%2280%25%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd align%3D%22center%22 width%3D%2210%25%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fmisc%2Foldowl.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5D%5Bb%5DJeanne Hedge%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bi%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%22Believe me%2C if I have to go the rest of my life without companionship%2C knowing myself won%27t be a problem.%22%0D%0A -- Gabrielle of Potadeia%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 17|3|15|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|BlackAeronaut||12:36:24|10/30/2006|%3EIt%27s a helluva package%2C and well worth the 11 zorkmids plus handling %0D%0A%3EAmazon wants for it%2C IMO. %0D%0A%0D%0ACool%21 I%27ll have to see about picking it up then. Do you know anything about those two-disc special edition reissues they%27re doing%3F As in%2C would you recomend the others as well%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bhr%5D%5Bfont size%3D%222%22 face%3D%22Arial Narrow%22%5D%5Bb%5DBlack Aeronaut Technologies%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0ACreative aerospace solutions for the discerning spacer%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22What%3F Under the dorsal guiding feathers%21%3F%22%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 18|4|17|||1||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|Gryphon||12:50:29|10/30/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-06 AT 12:50 PM (EST)]%3ECool%21 I%27ll have to see about picking it up then. Do you know %0D%0A%3Eanything about those two-disc special edition reissues they%27re doing%3F %0D%0A%3EAs in%2C would you recomend the others as well%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AI have the first few. Generally speaking%2C if the movie%27s worth picking up in the first place%2C you might as well get the two-disc edition of it.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bi%5Dso%2C you know%2C %5B%2Fi%5DNemesis%5Bi%5D not so much.%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 19|3|15|||||RE%3A Things I%27m not sure I ever explained%3A|StClair||04:24:42|11/07/2006|This seems like as good a place as any to drop in a bit of studio joking from the old days%2C which I happened to be thinking about this evening.%0D%0A%0D%0AZ-Gryphon%3A %5B%22V%27ger calls to the Creator%21 Why is the Creator blowing V%27ger off%3F%21 V%27ger busted his ASS to get this information for the Creator%21 The least the Creator could do is pick up the fucking phone%21%22%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%28And like Gryph%2C I prefer the old sound fx. Fortunately%2C that%27s what I%27ve got the VHS release for.%29%0D%0A