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0|0|0|||||A few mecha related observations|GethN7||01:26:26|05/24/2014|Just got finished reading Symphony 4%2C Part 2%2C and I noticed a few mecha related things I wanted to comment on%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A1. I applaud the amount of homework that went into the Heterodyne knockoffs made by Big Fire. Having seen Dai-Guard%2C that was pretty cool.%0D%0A%0D%0A2. Took me a little bit to realize that Kozue was piloting the Getter Robo G%2C and that was because the name of the second unit is wrong. It%27s %22Getter Liger%22%2C not %22Getter Ryger%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A3. Being someone who was at best tolerant of Robotech and prefers Macross %28though some of the names from Robotech are much better and a lot easier to pronounce%2C especially for the Zentradi%29%2C I found it a bit hard to follow the Macross%2FRobotech stuff since terms from both are thrown around so much.%0D%0A%0D%0AOverall though%2C as a robot show fan%2C that was a nice mecha story.%0D%0A%0D%0AP.S. - on a non robot related note%2C the Powerpuff Girls stuff felt mostly In Name Only up until Mojo Jojo debuted%2C then not only was he portrayed perfectly %28and very hilariously%29%2C the rest of the Powerpuff Girl cast actually felt more like canon and less like cardboard cutouts with superficial elements of the original canon attached.
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Gryphon||01:30:54|05/24/2014|%3E2. Took me a little bit to realize that Kozue was piloting the Getter %0D%0A%3ERobo G%2C and that was because the name of the second unit is wrong. %0D%0A%3EIt%27s %22Getter Liger%22%2C not %22Getter Ryger%22. %0D%0A%0D%0AThat depends entirely on the translation you%27re working with.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EP.S. - on a non robot related note%2C the Powerpuff Girls stuff felt %0D%0A%3Emostly In Name Only up until Mojo Jojo debuted%2C then not only was he %0D%0A%3Eportrayed perfectly %28and very hilariously%29%2C the rest of the Powerpuff %0D%0A%3EGirl cast actually felt more like canon and less like cardboard %0D%0A%3Ecutouts with superficial elements of the original canon attached. %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m... just going to leave that there%2C I think.  It%27s got that yeah-but-no-but-yeah-but thing going on again and I just can%27t get inside that tonight. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
2|2|1|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|GethN7||18:56:59|05/24/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON May-24-14 AT 07:12 PM (EDT)]%3E%3E2. Took me a little bit to realize that Kozue was piloting the Getter %0D%0A%3E%3ERobo G%2C and that was because the name of the second unit is wrong. %0D%0A%3E%3EIt%27s %22Getter Liger%22%2C not %22Getter Ryger%22. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThat depends entirely on the translation you%27re working with. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EP.S. - on a non robot related note%2C the Powerpuff Girls stuff felt %0D%0A%3E%3Emostly In Name Only up until Mojo Jojo debuted%2C then not only was he %0D%0A%3E%3Eportrayed perfectly %28and very hilariously%29%2C the rest of the Powerpuff %0D%0A%3E%3EGirl cast actually felt more like canon and less like cardboard %0D%0A%3E%3Ecutouts with superficial elements of the original canon attached. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI%27m... just going to leave that there%2C I think.  It%27s got that %0D%0A%3Eyeah-but-no-but-yeah-but thing going on again and I just can%27t get %0D%0A%3Einside that tonight. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E--G. %0D%0A%3E-%3E%3C- %0D%0A%3EBenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod %0D%0A%3EEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F %0D%0A%3Ezgryphon at that email service Google has %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AAs for the name %22Getter Ryger%22%2C I must respectfully disagree. The original Getter-2 core machine is called the Getter Jaguar%2C and the Getter Robo G version is called the Getter Liger %28Lion%2BTiger%29%2C so the name %27Getter Liger%22 is merely continuing the series theme.%0D%0A%0D%0AI understand you may prefer the mistranslation for your own reasons%2C but it%27s still a mistranslation since it breaks the obvious theme naming used in the series.%0D%0A%0D%0AAlso%2C as for my yes%2Fno%2Fyes response %28as you put it%29%2C I come from the school of thought regarding crossovers that unless the original canon was so horrible doing completely new things with it is preferred %28I watched Gundam SEED Destiny%2C and it was so bad anything else would be preferable%29%2C I usually tend to prefer crossovers that try to blend the various series they borrow from together and tie it all together with some original storywork to fill in the blanks.%0D%0A%0D%0AUF seems to take parts of some series and then spins the rest out of whole cloth%2C which is admittedly not my thing most of the time%2C but that doesn%27t mean I think what I%27ve read so far is bad. If anything%2C being the cynic I am%2C it was far better than I expected.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf anything%2C I thought how the Ah My Goddess%2FMagic Knights Rayearth%2FRevolutionary Girl Utena series were linked together was pretty ingenious%2C and almost all the mecha%2Fsci-fi stuff I like. As for the Powerpuff Girls part of things%2C that show wasn%27t exactly the deepest well of canon to draw from%2C but I found following those parts you included difficult to appreciate because most of it did seem to be completely original material%2C at least until Mojo Jojo showed up%2C then the Powerpuff Girls stuff seemed to gel into the plot a little better.
3|3|2|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Terminus Est||23:57:52|05/24/2014|I was going to go on a whole long-winded rant about differences of opinion%2C the fact that UF has been around since before some of its component bits were created %28or since those components%27 creators were even %5Bi%5Dborn%5B%2Fi%5D in some instances%29%2C and kindly suggest that you sit back and enjoy the ride...%0D%0A%0D%0A...but then I realized that 1%3A that would be pretty damn presumptuous of me%2C 2%3A everyone IS in fact entitled to their own opinion%2C and 3%3A G and company can do that far more effectively than I can in any case.%0D%0A%0D%0ASo I won%27t do that.%0D%0A%0D%0AInstead I%27ll address one point that kind of bugs me%2C that being the PPG stuff.  It should be noted%2C I think%2C that in the grand scheme of things%3F  That is an %5Bi%5Dexceedingly%5B%2Fi%5D minor part of the overall universe.  I am afraid that you%2C sir%2C are picking nits%2C and since they%27re out of season%2C I must kindly ask that you return them to the wild.
5|4|3|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|GethN7||01:14:39|05/25/2014|%3EInstead I%27ll address one point that kind of bugs me%2C that being the %0D%0A%3EPPG stuff.  It should be noted%2C I think%2C that in the grand scheme of %0D%0A%3Ethings%3F  That is an %5Bi%5Dexceedingly%5B%2Fi%5D minor part of the overall %0D%0A%3Euniverse.  I am afraid that you%2C sir%2C are picking nits%2C and since %0D%0A%3Ethey%27re out of season%2C I must kindly ask that you return them to the %0D%0A%3Ewild. %0D%0A%0D%0AFair enough. As I admitted%2C this type of crossover story is not my usual cup of tea%2C but overall%2C I%27m generally enjoying it%2C and now that I got my nits picked%2C I plan to sit down%2C shut up%2C and enjoy the rest of the ride.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%3EAs for the name %22Getter Ryger%22%2C I must respectfully disagree. The %0D%0A%3E%3Eoriginal Getter-2 core machine is called the Getter Jaguar%2C and the %0D%0A%3E%3EGetter Robo G version is called the Getter Liger %28Lion%2BTiger%29%2C so the %0D%0A%3E%3Ename %27Getter Liger%22 is merely continuing the series theme. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAh%2C well%2C you see%2C I didn%27t know that%3B and I have to admit it doesn%27t %0D%0A%3Ereally change my opinion on the matter%2C since %22liger%22 is %5Bi%5Dnot a real %0D%0A%3Eword%5B%2Fi%5D in my book%2C any more than %28for instance%29 %22cockerpoo%22%2C %0D%0A%3E%22puggle%22%2C or %22zorse%22.  Unaware that it was in fact a cutesy label for %0D%0A%3Ea hybrid animal%2C I gave it equal romanization weight with %22Ryger%22 %0D%0A%3E%28which is how it%27s rendered in at least one official translation I%27ve %0D%0A%3Eseen%2C albeit one in Italian%29 and decided I liked the latter%27s ring %0D%0A%3Ebetter. %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C I%27ll admit %22Ryger%22 does roll off the tongue slightly easier%2C so mea culpa. I guess my inner Getter fanboy had a vein pop on his forehead and just had 2 get that out of his head.%0D%0A%0D%0AHowever%2C I%27m afraid Ligers are quite real%3A%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLiger%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI must say%2C it%27s a reasonably refreshing change of pace to get gigged %0D%0A%3Efor being too %5Bi%5Doriginal%5B%2Fi%5D. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C I wasn%27t so much complaining as I wasn%27t sure how they fit into UF at first since my introduction to them had so little familiarity with the source work%2C but now I do. Also%2C I hope I get to see more scenes with Mojo Jojo%2C he%27s unbelievably hilarious.
6|5|5|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Gryphon||01:24:22|05/25/2014|%3EHowever%2C I%27m afraid Ligers are quite real%3A %0D%0A%0D%0AI didn%27t dispute that.  %28So%2C for that matter%2C are cockerpoos%2C puggles%2C and zorses.%29  I%27m merely noting that I wasn%27t aware it was a label for a real thing at the time I was considering which romanization to go with.  And that%2C since it%27s a silly made-up term that%27s a little too precious %28like many such words%3B see previous examples%29%2C knowing that now doesn%27t particularly make me want to change my mind. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
7|6|6|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|rwpikul||03:40:16|05/26/2014|%3E%3EHowever%2C I%27m afraid Ligers are quite real%3A %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI didn%27t dispute that.  %28So%2C for that matter%2C are cockerpoos%2C puggles%2C %0D%0A%3Eand zorses.%29  I%27m merely noting that I wasn%27t aware it was a label for %0D%0A%3Ea real thing at the time I was considering which romanization to go %0D%0A%3Ewith.  And that%2C since it%27s a silly made-up term that%27s a little too %0D%0A%3Eprecious %28like many such words%3B see previous examples%29%2C knowing that %0D%0A%3Enow doesn%27t particularly make me want to change my mind. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C it%27s a %27silly made-up term%27 with enough usage over a long enough period%2C %28it dates from at least the 1920s%29%2C that you can expect to find it in most decent English dictionaries.  I also can%27t really think of a better term for that particular hybrid%2C given the constraint that it needs to be distinguished from tigon%2C %28that%27s when the tiger is the father%2C they are much smaller than ligers%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe others don%27t have quite the pedigree%2C %28zorse is about as old%2C but is much less common due to the rarity of zebroids in general and their lack of the %22WOW%21 that%27s a big cat%21%22 factor%29.%0D%0A
8|7|7|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Senji||10:35:36|05/26/2014|%3EThe others don%27t have quite the pedigree%2C %28zorse is about as old%2C but %0D%0A%3Eis much less common due to the rarity of zebroids in general and their %0D%0A%3Elack of the %22WOW%21 that%27s a big cat%21%22 factor%29. %0D%0A%0D%0A Why not make a proper new word.  Where would we be if we went around talking about dorses rather than mules%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AS.
9|8|8|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|rwpikul||01:32:18|05/27/2014|%3E Why not make a proper new word.  Where would we be if we went around %0D%0A%3Etalking about dorses rather than mules%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C leaving aside that a %27dorse%27 would probably be a hinny rather than a mule....%0D%0A%0D%0ACreating a portmanteau is a longstanding way of making a proper new word.  You probably even use them all the time.%0D%0A%0D%0AYou%27ve probably watched more than a few newscasts%2C perhaps even one that had a story about a soundscape%2C %28if you did it on your phone%2C you might have even been riding an escalator at the time%29.  More than a few times%2C the stories would have likely mentioned smog%2C motorcades%2C napalm or paratroopers.%0D%0A%0D%0AUF has included arcologies and all sorts of things with avionics%2C not to mention all kinds of brainiacs.%0D%0A%0D%0AReading the right kind of stuff can easily result in the release of endorphins%5B1%5D%2C which might be nice if you have just been reading up on how your party lost the election because of gerrymandering.%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m sorry if this comes across as a bit snarky%2C but you can at least know that I%27m seeing a lot of words with squiggles under them.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Including the footnote%3A  That%27s what%2C 15 of them%3F  Oh%2C wait%3A  16%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B1%5D Or you could get it through some possibly illegal activities in a motel.
10|9|9|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Gryphon||01:40:29|05/27/2014|And there%27s a foul on the play%3A A lot of your sarcastic examples were compound words%2C not portmanteaux.%0D%0A%0D%0AAlso%2C you came across as a bit of a douchebag. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
12|10|10|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|rwpikul||15:13:25|05/27/2014|%3EAnd there%27s a foul on the play%3A A lot of your sarcastic examples were %0D%0A%3Ecompound words%2C not portmanteaux. %0D%0A%0D%0APoint of order%3A  A compound retains the root words intact%2C all of those truncate at least one of the roots.%0D%0A
13|11|12|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Gryphon||15:31:12|05/27/2014|%3E%3EAnd there%27s a foul on the play%3A A lot of your sarcastic examples were %0D%0A%3E%3Ecompound words%2C not portmanteaux. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EPoint of order%3A  A compound retains the root words intact%2C all of %0D%0A%3Ethose truncate at least one of the roots. %0D%0A%0D%0AYou know%2C I hate to call a halt on any discussion that happens on these boards lately%2C we%27re so light on traffic%2C but there comes a point where I have to stop and ask myself%3A What the %5Bi%5Dhell%5B%2Fi%5D has any of this got to do with anything%3F  There%27s off-topic%2C and then there%27s arguing about whether %22liger%22 is a stupid word%2A%2C and %5Bi%5Dthen%5B%2Fi%5D there%27s whatever the f--- we are talking about now. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5D%2A It is.%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
11|9|9|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|laudre||10:02:27|05/27/2014|%3E%3E Why not make a proper new word.  Where would we be if we went around %0D%0A%3E%3Etalking about dorses rather than mules%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EWell%2C leaving aside that a %27dorse%27 would probably be a hinny rather %0D%0A%3Ethan a mule.... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ECreating a portmanteau is a longstanding way of making a proper new %0D%0A%3Eword.  You probably even use them all the time. %0D%0A%0D%0A%3Csnip%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%2Agolf clap%2A%0D%0A%0D%0AWow%2C that%27s a bit of pedantry that even I would have to be having a %5Bi%5Dreally%5B%2Fi%5D bad day to engage in. Particularly given that only some of those are portmanteaus%3B they are%2C however%2C examples of what were%2C at one time%2C neologisms%2C although many of those are such no longer.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn any event%2C %5Bi%5Dliger%5B%2Fi%5D and %5Bi%5Dtigon%5B%2Fi%5D are attested going back to the 1930s%2C at least %28and the actual animals -- ligers%2C in particular -- have been documented back to 1798%29. Besides%2C if you want to take a dip in that pool%2C have a look at %5Blink%3Aen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPanthera_hybrid%7CWikipedia%27s list of Panthera hybrids%5D%2C which includes liligers%2C litigons%2C lileguars%2C jagopards%2C and many more. %28Kind of mind-blowing how many of these hybrids are fertile%2C too%2C for that matter.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhr %2F%5D%5Bsmall%5D%22Mathematics brought rigor to economics. Unfortunately%2C it also brought mortis.%22%0D%0A - Kenneth Boulding%5B%2Fsmall%5D%5Bhr %2F%5D
4|3|2|||1||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Gryphon||00:07:11|05/25/2014|%3EAs for the name %22Getter Ryger%22%2C I must respectfully disagree. The %0D%0A%3Eoriginal Getter-2 core machine is called the Getter Jaguar%2C and the %0D%0A%3EGetter Robo G version is called the Getter Liger %28Lion%2BTiger%29%2C so the %0D%0A%3Ename %27Getter Liger%22 is merely continuing the series theme. %0D%0A%0D%0AAh%2C well%2C you see%2C I didn%27t know that%3B and I have to admit it doesn%27t really change my opinion on the matter%2C since %22liger%22 is %5Bi%5Dnot a real word%5B%2Fi%5D in my book%2C any more than %28for instance%29 %22cockerpoo%22%2C %22puggle%22%2C or %22zorse%22.  Unaware that it was in fact a cutesy label for a hybrid animal%2C I gave it equal romanization weight with %22Ryger%22 %28which is how it%27s rendered in at least one official translation I%27ve seen%2C albeit one in Italian%29 and decided I liked the latter%27s ring better.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EI found following those parts %0D%0A%3Eyou included difficult to appreciate because most of it did seem to be %0D%0A%3Ecompletely original material%0D%0A%0D%0AI must say%2C it%27s a reasonably refreshing change of pace to get gigged for being too %5Bi%5Doriginal%5B%2Fi%5D. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
14|4|4|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Croaker||15:30:27|05/29/2014|I%27m just going to shrug and be silly and point out that the -real- name is %E3%82%B2%E3%83%83%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd while the second half of that term can easily be transliterated as both %27Liger%27 and %27Ryger%27 or several other minor variations thereupon%2C The Author Hath Spoken. %0D%0A%0D%0ABesides%2C it%27s not like it%27s supposed to %5Bi%5Dactually be the one from the show%5B%2Fi%5D%3B if it were then the show%27s preferred transliteration would be correct. But it%27s not%2C this is UF%2C so Gryph gets to be picky and have his choice of what sounds right when he tells the story.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf anyone has a right to be picky about the name%2C it%27s %5Bi%5DKozue%5B%2Fi%5D%2C and you don%27t see %5Bi%5Dher%5B%2Fi%5D complaining%2C do you%3F
15|5|14|||||RE%3A A few mecha related observations|Star Ranger4||19:59:59|06/04/2014|%3EIf anyone has a right to be picky about the name%2C it%27s %5Bi%5DKozue%5B%2Fi%5D%2C %0D%0A%3Eand you don%27t see %5Bi%5Dher%5B%2Fi%5D complaining%2C do you%3F %0D%0A%0D%0Anope%2C just pulling of the damn coolest not recommended ever maneuver...  EVER%21%0D%0A