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"S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Dec-12-13 AT 06:05 PM (EST)
 
About time I got to start one of these. It's only been since 1994.

I've only just started reading; I'll update this OP with my impressions after I'm done.

But to start with - Thank you for posting this on a day that otherwise really sucked for me.

Edit: The "crypto-lesbian subtext" line completely broke me. Well done.

Edit: And finished. While I do sometimes miss the buckling of various swashes common to earlier UF, I love the sense of family and community that the modern stories have. I get the impression that Diqiu is going to be 'home' for a lot of UF for a while to come.


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MuninsFire
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1. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   For some reason, I've taken an inordinate liking to Maximilian Chin
Yongmin XVII. Perhaps it's just because he reminds me a little of certain folks from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms or summat, but the concept of a crazy-prepared bureaucrat that isn't the slightest bit fazed by the presence of (what seems to be in the context of the story) a legendary creature breathing fire on him....this guy's awesome.

I may just have to export him for something I was planning on writing later...

--
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome
decree,
Where Alph, the sacred river,
ran
Through caverns measureless to
man
Down to a sunless sea


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2. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   It's not often that bureaucrats are awesome.


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3. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   Indeed. And usually when a bureaucrat is awesome in a work of fiction, it's because they leave aside the whole rules-based bureaucracy thing and allow something out-of-scope to happen that they would otherwise be obstructing.

This guy, though, manages to be awesome while doing his job, and showing a level of preparedness (seriously, how many unregistered feral dragons could there be on the planet?) that even Batman might not rise to.

Though, one little quibble...he really ought to have a chop rather than a notary embosser, damnit ;-p

--
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome
decree,
Where Alph, the sacred river,
ran
Through caverns measureless to
man
Down to a sunless sea


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4. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >Though, one little quibble...he really ought to have a chop rather
>than a notary embosser, damnit ;-p

Perhaps the chop isn't accepted by other... embossies. :rimshot:


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7. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >Though, one little quibble...he really ought to have a chop rather
>than a notary embosser, damnit ;-p

You say that as though a man could only have one or the other...

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8. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >For some reason, I've taken an inordinate liking to Maximilian Chin
>Yongmin XVII. Perhaps it's just because he reminds me a little of
>certain folks from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms or summat, but
>the concept of a crazy-prepared bureaucrat that isn't the slightest
>bit fazed by the presence of (what seems to be in the context of the
>story) a legendary creature breathing fire on him....this guy's
>awesome.

Chin is a descendant of the unnamed flunky whose job was to deliver Councilman Tarrlok's bribes in that one episode of The Legend of Korra. (In the modern day, the family doesn't really talk about that guy. Bit embarrassing, really. Then again, not every member of the line really has the chops to live up to that Emperors of the Western Reaches part.)

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29. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   > Then again, not every member of
>the line really has the chops to live up to that Emperors of the
>Western Reaches part.)

But do they have the embossers? <grins, ducks and runs>

Excellent work, Gryphon. Can't wait to read this to Peggy. We're a bit backed up in the queue at the moment, but we'll get to it eventually.

-- Bob
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5. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >Edit: The "crypto-lesbian subtext" line completely broke me. Well done.

Heh, and a whole bunch of other lines did the same for me. A very enjoyable continuation of the Dìqiú storyline, and a bunch of changes that are going to be fun to watch playing out over the next several instalments.

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Unable to save the day: File is read-only.


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6. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >>Edit: The "crypto-lesbian subtext" line completely broke me. Well done.
>
>Heh, and a whole bunch of other lines did the same for me.

It may be worth noting that we rather like learning which bits had such effects. Lest people think, y'know, it's too fiddly to trouble us with. :)

--G.

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12. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >>Heh, and a whole bunch of other lines did the same for me.
>
>It may be worth noting that we rather like learning which bits had
>such effects. Lest people think, y'know, it's too fiddly to trouble
>us with. :)

By an amazing coincidence, I'm re-reading the story at the moment. :) Let's see...

First evidence that Utena and Corwin's bed wasn't just Utena and Corwin's.

"(Pff, your part was months ago,)" Utena replied. "(And frankly not that challenging.)"

Annabelle's experiment on the tastiness of dragons.

Ikki's "(Welcome to my actual entire life.)"

"Don't set government officials on fire."

"Does this wear off at some point? 'Cause I have to be honest, it's freaking me out a little."

"At least not until Utena and I figure out the fee structure,"

Utena's "I'm a multitalented woman, but that particular trick is beyond me."

Anthy momentarily considered remarking that as yet they -hadn't-
all three... you know

Corwin's "double take for the ages"

Corwin again, losing that argument with several yards of silk

"-Look- at all these orange hairs," Korra remarked, scraping her brush. "People are going to -talk,- girl!"

"With a tower!"

Took longer than I thought, and I'm sure I missed a few, but those were the highlights.

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26. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >"(Pff, your part was months ago,)" Utena replied. "(And frankly not
>that challenging.)"

Utena's not being particularly fair there. I mean, she knows by this point how hard he works. Any schmuck can do the job, but doing it right to a high standard requires concentration and commitment. :)

>Annabelle's experiment on the tastiness of dragons.

They don't taste like chicken. Particularly reds.

>"At least not until Utena and I figure out the fee structure,"

One of the things they haven't agreed on yet is whether to charge more for the Complete Service, as it were, as opposed to the DIY kit form.

>"-Look- at all these orange hairs," Korra remarked, scraping her
>brush. "People are going to -talk,- girl!"

It was a very small part of the overall story arc, but I've really enjoyed the little sidebar with Niri and Serge over the first three movements. We didn't see them at it much, but I like to think that pretty much anytime you don't see one or the other of them on screen during that time, they're both off in a corner of the courtyard, or Niri's doghouse, or Korra's room, or the meditation pavilion, or someplace else on the island, asleep. Or eating. But usually asleep. :)

--G.
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30. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-13 AT 04:51 PM (EST)
 
>>>Heh, and a whole bunch of other lines did the same for me.
>>It may be worth noting that we rather like learning which bits had
>>such effects. Lest people think, y'know, it's too fiddly to trouble
>>us with. :)

"I've changed my mind."

Edit: Oh, and "You were always a slow learner."

-- Bob
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9. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   There was a lot more innuendo in this piece than in other EPU works. Not saying this is a bad thing, just an observation that I'm not sure what to make of.

Polychrome


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10. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >There was a lot more innuendo in this piece than in other EPU works.
>Not saying this is a bad thing, just an observation that I'm not sure
>what to make of.

... There was?

--G.
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11. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   In the character's dialogue. At least it seemed to me.

Polychrome

Or maybe you've just gotten unsubtle enough to penetrate my skull.


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13. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   I believe there's a mis-spelling of 'hesitated'. right where Azana's leaving the room after Garnet's birth.

There's a repeated 'the' after Minami comments that Corwin is good with tools and that that's hot.

A very emotional read (as was the case for the previous two movements). A big thank you to all three authors.

D.


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14. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-13 AT 07:35 AM (EST)
 
There were a couple of typographic errors I spotted as well (a missing emphatic hyphen, for one), but I'm entirely too tired to dig them out, and they don't detract from the story at all.

The only sour note I'm hitting here is Lhakpa (if that's how her name's spelled). She's... I don't know how to put this. I know it's possible for a person to be that petty and ignorant, I've seen it happen, but it's a characterization I haven't noticed before in an Eyrie piece from someone who didn't turn out to be a villain. Maybe I'm using the wrong word - maybe I should say jarring, rather than sour. On the one hand, I'm looking forward to seeing if she has a redeeming moment, and how it plays out - on the other, I harbor an intense personal dislike for her, the kind I usually reserve for celebrities and high school-style cliques. I wouldn't be disappointed to see her get her ass kicked by Umi, or her sister of the equally-unspellable-name, is what I'm sayin'.

I'm about as unfamiliar with the A:TLA canon and its sequel as you can get in the Internet age, so I must say you guys have done a remarkable job of describing the world thus far, but some of the references go right over my head. Maybe someday I'll correct the error on my end, but the discussions I've seen on here don't exactly have me stoked up to see the Korra series.

And now I'm just rambling, so I think I'll end it there. Maybe I'll be more coherent after sleep.


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15. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-13 AT 08:57 AM (EST)
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this whole piece! I do disagree about Lhakpa, though.

In fact, reading the sections with Lhakpa made me realize how -nice- nearly everyone else is. While I do most certainly hate nasty, unpleasant people, having -everyone- be that way is what would be terribly jarring. Story is driven by conflict, and not everyone can have intelligence and common sense.

Lhakpa -is- petty and ignorant, yes, but in my book that's called "being a teenager". Your comment that she's "that petty and ignorant" (emphasis mine) implies that she's so much more so than average that it doesn't make sense in context. I feel she's being a perfectly normal teenager, and we've just been surrounded by so many exceptional people we've forgotten what the mundanes are like. The revelation that Nyima feels precisely the same way, and is just handling it in a more mature way, is enough to get Lhakpa thinking.

Honestly, when she first came onto Nall, I just thought she was a -ditz-. I was disappointed in Nall simply because he was okay with someone so unintelligent coming after him. Finding out that isn't the case, that she's just got teenage insecurity and she's working on it, was a breath of fresh air. (See what I did there?)


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this world created by the
hands of the gods
everything is false
everything is a LIE
the final days have come
now
let everything be destroyed

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16. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   I harbor an
>intense personal dislike for her, the kind I usually reserve for
>celebrities and high school-style cliques.

Well, that's slightly apt, I suppose. Lhakpa is sort of the closest the airbender kids get to the ANSI standard high school princess type.

I will say that we're not seeing her at her best thus far.

>I wouldn't be disappointed
>to see her get her ass kicked by Umi, or her sister of the
>equally-unspellable-name, is what I'm sayin'.

I would be, but mainly because that would mean Nyima had resorted to violence.

Also, "Nyima" is unspellable? It's five letters. Try harder. :)

--G.
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34. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-13 AT 07:40 PM (EST)
 
Cut me some slack, it was 7:30 in the ohholyhellwhatamIdoingupthislate-ning. :P

I wasn't saying that I hate her as a character, just as a person. As a character she's a very well written counterpoint to... pretty much everyone else. As a person she's demonstrated all the qualities I associate with teenage drama, a thing I do everything in my power to distance myself from (despite having a niece and nephew fast approaching that age range). Few things can make me actually cringe - that's one of them. Nothing on you guys, personal foible, nothing else to see here. :)

I am glad to hear that we haven't seen her at her best, though. I loves me a good redemption plot.


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36. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >I am glad to hear that we haven't seen her at her best, though.

Mind you, we have seen her at "pretty good" - the scene in Prologue where she's There For Nall, defying even Nall's own expectations of her, shows (I think) a fairly positive side of her. She's just not consistently in tune with that side of herself. Philosophically (as opposed to practically/mechanically) speaking, she's not a very good airbender, and she is acutely aware of that, which makes it worse.

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37. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >>I am glad to hear that we haven't seen her at her best, though.
>
>Mind you, we have seen her at "pretty good" - the scene in
>Prologue where she's There For Nall, defying even Nall's own
>expectations of her, shows (I think) a fairly positive side of her.
>She's just not consistently in tune with that side of herself.
>Philosophically (as opposed to practically/mechanically) speaking,
>she's not a very good airbender, and she is acutely aware of that,
>which makes it worse.

If Lhakpa's the first of the new descendants of Aang who is a skilled airbender but is crap at/hates/is indifferent to the airbender philosophy and lifestyle, that almost makes her a -pioneer-. Face it, the powers and the lifestyle are two different things and if noone in modern memory has actively rejected one while retaining the other, I'd say it's actually a bit overdue. Jinora will certainly not like it, but she may realize the airbender lifestyle simply is not for everyone. Of course, Lhakpa will forfeit any further instruction, but she may keep developing her skill on her own and she's already said flat out she has no interest in getting her arrow. Obviously, it comes with social expectations she doesn't care to take on.


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17. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-13 AT 11:05 AM (EST)
 
G&H basically got me through a 4 hour flight delay at BWI. I am INTENSELY grateful.

I have to agree that Lhakpa and Nall aren't really looking stellar, but at the same time, I totally see Lhakpa as the bratty teen type, and Nall....well, honestly, it feels a bit like between the fight with Nax and the breakup with Umi that Nall's kinda hitting the angry, angsty, teenager phase himself, regardless of chronological age. (Edit: It also occurs to me that he may be subconsciously trying to "Dragon himself up" because he sees the need to present a better example of Dragonity to Garnet than he had growing up. Someone'll probably need to slap him up the head for that later.)

I also got to love Ryo way more than I expected. I actually laughed out loud when I hit "What the HONK, son?"

I kinda had this mental image of the Sato family being such gearheads that car / shop terms became their personal swearing language. I have this feeling that "Blown Cylinder" is a phrase that is never, ever, ever uttered in polite company there.

I find myself surprisingly happy at the major shift into Diqiu for a bit. Yeah, it's less swords and spaceships-y, but it feels like a good place for having some character moments and a bit of well earned quiet time.

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18. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   For me, the reasons given for Nall's post-hatching disappearance felt sort of "stuck in." Sort of like 'this story doesn't really require Nall once the egg hatched, so isn't it convenient that he's been brooding for a few stories now, which we're now reminding you of in this short scene which isn't going to go anywhere in this story, but we'll probably get back to it some time in the future.'


I'm trying to recall Utena's reference to Kaitlyn nearly going on a rampage once. I remember Juri nearly doing that, but I'm drawing a blank with Kate.


OTOH, I *love* how you all have been handling Utena's feeling like a third-wheel WRT the baby. I especially liked her scene with Korra, with all those confused and mixed up emotions spilling out. Nicely done!

(also enjoyed immensely the reactions to Anthy's post-partum physical state <g>)


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19. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   Well, Kaitlyn did go on a rampage, after Kei disappeared and she went all Batman "I'm beating up people who deserve it because it keeps me from feeling".

I also really like the various character pieces here, even if there's a character or two I'm not thrilled with ATM (Nall & Lhakpa, I'm looking at you!). I will say that I don't think those two are out of character, so much as out of sorts (Nall - this whole thing with Nax seems to have made him face a side of himself that he either didn't know existed or was in denial about, and he's not happy about it or sure how to deal with it) and just in need of some more growing up (Lhakpa). Yes, what she did to her sister was totally uncalled for, but it seems like she's at least starting to recognize it, even if she isn't ready to admit it to anyone else...

Offsides

Oh, and that "crypto-lesbian subtext" line nearly had me waking my wife and son up while I was reading in bed last night (he's a year old and still won't sleep in his crib all night *grumble*).

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23. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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>(Nall - this whole thing with Nax
>seems to have made him face a side of himself that he either didn't
>know existed or was in denial about, and he's not happy about it or
>sure how to deal with it) and just in need of some more growing up
>(Lhakpa).

Perhaps Nall just needs to do some growing up too. Or he just missed learning some important stuff about his own culture while growing up, and is paying for it now? Were the story timeline to go so far, I'd hope to see Cousin Nall (the 1st generation of this sort of bondship) seeing that any errors in his upbringing aren't continued with Garnet (the 2nd generation)


Speaking of Garnet, I liked the bits with Azana surrounding her hatching. Glad we got an explanation of why Azana was practically worshiping Garnet, though.


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20. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >I'm trying to recall Utena's reference to Kaitlyn nearly going on a
>rampage once. I remember Juri nearly doing that, but I'm drawing a
>blank with Kate.

Utena's referring to Kate's mother nearly going on a rampage, in the wake of what she learned about Mike Carpenter.

>I especially liked her scene with Korra,
>with all those confused and mixed up emotions spilling out. Nicely
>done!

Thanks! That was my suggestion, actually, with Korra taking a surrogate big-sister/mother role to Utena in that scene.

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21. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >I'm trying to recall Utena's reference to Kaitlyn nearly going on a
>rampage once. I remember Juri nearly doing that, but I'm drawing a
>blank with Kate.

Actually, the exact word used was "Kaitlyn's", as in Kaitlyn's mother - Kei.

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22. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   Phil Moyer:
>>I'm trying to recall Utena's reference to Kaitlyn nearly going on a
>>rampage once. I remember Juri nearly doing that, but I'm drawing a
>>blank with Kate.
>
>Utena's referring to Kate's mother nearly going on a rampage,
>in the wake of what she learned about Mike Carpenter.

ejheckathorn:
>>I'm trying to recall Utena's reference to Kaitlyn nearly going on a
>>rampage once. I remember Juri nearly doing that, but I'm drawing a
>>blank with Kate.
>
>Actually, the exact word used was "Kaitlyn's", as in Kaitlyn's mother
>- Kei.

She knew, of course,
that mothers felt protective toward their offspring too - sometimes
epically so, she well remembered Kaitlyn's nearly going on a rampage
once - but there was a difference.

Massive mis-read on my part. Thanks for the corrections.

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27. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >For me, the reasons given for Nall's post-hatching disappearance felt
>sort of "stuck in." Sort of like 'this story doesn't really require
>Nall once the egg hatched, so isn't it convenient that he's been
>brooding for a few stories now, which we're now reminding you of in
>this short scene which isn't going to go anywhere in this story, but
>we'll probably get back to it some time in the future.'

Really? Hmm. I'd like to think that if I was going to do something like that, I'd just... you know... send him home or something, rather than going to all the trouble of constructing a C-plot for him.

But who knows, maybe you're right. I've been having my doubts about a lot of stuff I've been doing lately.

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32. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >>For me, the reasons given for Nall's post-hatching disappearance felt
>>sort of "stuck in." Sort of like 'this story doesn't really require
>>Nall once the egg hatched, so isn't it convenient that he's been
>>brooding for a few stories now, which we're now reminding you of in
>>this short scene which isn't going to go anywhere in this story, but
>>we'll probably get back to it some time in the future.'
>
>Really? Hmm. I'd like to think that if I was going to do something
>like that, I'd just... you know... send him home or something, rather
>than going to all the trouble of constructing a C-plot for him.

Just my opinion, I've been wrong before. But I hate to admit I didn't realize there *was* a C-plot for him, beyond directing operations at the hatching.

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45. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   > But I hate to admit I didn't realize there *was* a C-plot for him,
> beyond directing operations at the hatching.

Sometimes those plots sort of sneak up on you.

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24. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   > some part of her would always feel more comfortable walking
> alone with her thoughts, accompanied only by her faithful polar bear
> dog. It wasn't the healthiest of behaviors, and she well knew this,

YES IT FREAKIN' IS. It's called being an introvert, and no, being outgoing and boisterous does not preclude it.

(sorry, fuller notes later, had to sto and yell at that bit)

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25. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >> some part of her would always feel more comfortable walking
>> alone with her thoughts, accompanied only by her faithful polar bear
>> dog. It wasn't the healthiest of behaviors, and she well knew this,
>
>YES IT FREAKIN' IS. It's called being an introvert, and no, being
>outgoing and boisterous does not preclude it.
>
>(sorry, fuller notes later, had to sto and yell at that bit)

It isn't so much a healthy behavior for Korra when it was created by being raised in an isolated compound for 13 years (since age four) with her best and only real friend being a polar bear dog that she tamed (who can provide comfort, protection, and a means of intimidation, but can't really talk to you about your concerns). In the old days, Korra wanted friends, but did not have the right social frameworks to really know how to compromise or be empathetic with other people in her peer group (mostly due to not having a peer group growing up).

Introversion is fine - I'm an introvert myself. Some of my happiest moments are walking around alone on the beach.

It's when a character's social development has been crippled so much that her first instinct to any challenge to her self identity is to either lash out with extreme violence or to go into hiding and hang out on cliff faces in isolation and stew in her own feelings of impotency that it becomes an issue.

This statement on the part of Korra and the Narrator is not meant to imply that taking long walks to process your thoughts is in any means unhealthy for other people or the readers. It is meant as a reflection of Korra herself on her own life experiences and her recognizing how broken she was when she came to Republic City and had to start interacting with other people in a framework other than master-student or parent-child.

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28. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >her best and only real friend being a polar
>bear dog that she tamed (who can provide comfort, protection, and a
>means of intimidation, but can't really talk to you about your
>concerns).

Aang managed to get some decent advice out of Appa and Momo that one time. Korra obviously just never pulled enough all-nighters in a row. :)

>This statement on the part of Korra and the Narrator is not meant to
>imply that taking long walks to process your thoughts is in any means
>unhealthy for other people or the readers.

Or even for her, nowadays. We should probably have made the retrospective nature of that particular musing clearer. Ah well, hindsight.

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31. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   And for the first time (for me anyway), Corwin's Asgardian nature firmly asserts itself:

"And a tower!"

Regarding Mrs. Williams and Mr. Pond:
Whatever force is playing timeball with these two must impart a SEP field to their insertions. Loved the Sirius Cybernetics shout-out, as an aside. :)

But even with a SEP running full-bore, I'm surprised that Anthy hasn't trigged to them yet. If she has, I either missed it or we haven't seen it on screen. Reading people is Anthy's thing, both the good and the bad.

While I'm definitely enjoying these character pieces, I'm becoming more and more interested in just what is up with the Ponds.

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33. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   Who's to say she hasn't? This is Anthy we're talking about, no reason at all to think she hasn't deconstructed Amy and Rory and concluded it's no one's business so there's no need to say something.

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35. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >Regarding Mrs. Williams and Mr. Pond:
>Whatever force is playing timeball with these two must impart a SEP
>field to their insertions.

There appears to be a certain amount of retroactive temporal rewrite involved in their displacements. That's apparent in their very first appearance, over in DSMP, wherein they arrive on the DSM campus and are almost immediately recognized by people who have known them for years. (For that matter, they appear to receive an "update" themselves, so that they know who and what they're supposed to be in their new context, which seems to be part of the routine - one of them even quips about never quite getting used to that part.)

This, I don't mind pointing out, implies that whatever is behind their travels is spectacularly powerful, or at least operating on a level extremely close to the cosmic base code.

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38. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   "Theorizing that one could time travel within their own lifetime, Amy Pond and Rory Williams stepped into the Quantum Leap accelerator and vanished..."

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39. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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>"Theorizing that one could time travel within their own lifetime, Amy
>Pond and Rory Williams stepped into the Quantum Leap accelerator and
>vanished..."

Nope.

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44. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >>"Theorizing that one could time travel within their own lifetime, Amy
>>Pond and Rory Williams stepped into the Quantum Leap accelerator and
>>vanished..."
>
>Nope.
>
>--G.
>but, oddly enough, not totally wrong
>conceptually

Well, yeah, it was a joke.

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40. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >While I'm definitely enjoying these character pieces, I'm becoming
>more and more interested in just what is up with the Ponds.

Speaking of, at least a couple of times they're mentioned AS 'the Ponds' like a complete unit. I only really have a layman's grasp of Dr. Who, so I'm guessing they're married in some way? Even if no one else really knows it?

Also:

"If she starts - " SUSTAINED TRAIN WHISTLE " - worry, it's
perfectly normal!"

"I'm always going to wonder now," Utena observed matter-of-
factly in the quiet that settled once the train was gone.

If she what exactly?! Dammit, now I'm always gonna wonder myself :(


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41. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >>While I'm definitely enjoying these character pieces, I'm becoming
>>more and more interested in just what is up with the Ponds.
>
>Speaking of, at least a couple of times they're mentioned AS 'the
>Ponds' like a complete unit. I only really have a layman's grasp of
>Dr. Who, so I'm guessing they're married in some way? Even if no one
>else really knows it?

Yes they are. The punch line is that, in their current setting, no one around them knows that they actually are married - but they're so obviously a couple that their friends refer to them as if they were, believing it to be an injoke.

And it is!

Just not the one they think it is. :)

>If she what exactly?! Dammit, now I'm always gonna
>wonder myself :(

Some routine baby behavior first-time parents tend to mistake for a sign that something's gone wrong, one would imagine. Possibly to do with teething. Babies who are teething often develop curious habits which can dismay the unprepared, or so I am told. Nothing supernatural was meant to be implied.

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43. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >Regarding Mrs. Williams and Mr. Pond:
>Whatever force is playing timeball with these two must impart a SEP
>field to their insertions.

I took it more that the people who know there's something odd about them are also experienced enough with this sort of thing to recognize it's not a threat to them, the Ponds are damn good people, and they'll tell the story when they're good and ready.

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42. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   I haven't read the comments in this thread yet, but:
"Then, with a delighted sound, she attempted (unsuccessfully) to put the dragon's head in her mouth."
just about broke me. Literally, i'm recovering from a flu bad enough I spent the night in the hospital. Laughing == coughing spasm.

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46. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   Alright, it's been 4 days, and I still can't figure out what the "Assassin's Last Surprise" is supposed to be. I mean, some sort of healing or shapechanging spell just doesn't sound badass enough, from the surrounding context. Direct Message or whisper if you must.


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47. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-16-13 AT 06:52 AM (EST)
 
I believe it's much like the one these guys got.


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48. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >I believe it's much like
>the one these guys got.

Similar sort of concept, yes, but after rather than during the process, as it were. Basically, the assassin's last surprise is discovering that the woman who just gave birth the day before is fully recovered (not just from pregnancy's side effects, but more importantly, from the delivery itself), and very possibly in better fighting shape than he is.

It's a dangerous job, being a svartelven noblewoman, but it does have a decent benefits package.

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49. "RE: S5DS03 - Goodbye, And Hello, As Always"
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   >It's a dangerous job, being a svartelven noblewoman, but it does have
>a decent benefits package.

This seems a good point to mention that I really liked the line about Svartalfheim not being quite as bad as medieval Florence.


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